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Topic: If the split NCs played, who'd have won?

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Re: If the split NCs played, who'd have won?
« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2019, 11:30:51 PM »
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Re: If the split NCs played, who'd have won?
« Reply #43 on: July 23, 2019, 07:51:49 AM »
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Re: If the split NCs played, who'd have won?
« Reply #44 on: July 23, 2019, 08:05:39 AM »
Quote from: CWSooner on July 22, 2019, 08:51:38 PM
Bielema would have done better had he stayed at Wisconsin.
Was he under any pressure when he left?
I wouldn't say pressure. Several of the big money guys didn't care for him, but the boss was still pretty solid with him. There was a bit of a rift when BB started talking about Meyer's recruiting tactics and his boss didn't back him, and a rift about paying assistants.

I think more than anything BB wanted to build his own program, because he did not do that in Madison.

Would have done better had he stayed? That's tough to say, to be honest, because the one year (2012) he was in Madison alone, after Paul Chryst left to coach at Pitt, BB went 8-6. The 2008 clunker too. That was when he was drinking too much and lost the team. The boss reigned that one in and he got better.
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Re: If the split NCs played, who'd have won?
« Reply #45 on: July 23, 2019, 08:20:52 AM »
1997 Nebraska had to come from behind to beat a weak UCF team that year.  Should have lost to Colorado but won on a missed call in the end zone.  Michigan beat common opponents, Colorado and Baylor, by greater margins that year.  Michigan played six ranked opponents during the season, Nebraska played two.  Nebraska's triple threat option offense was about as sophisticated as that of an average high school team.  There is no way Nebraska gets the Coaches trophy without Tom Osborne retiring and Scott Frost making his plea on TV.  Michigan would have beat the Huskers handily.

PS.  Fuck Ohio State.
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Re: If the split NCs played, who'd have won?
« Reply #46 on: July 23, 2019, 09:50:55 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 19, 2019, 10:08:39 PM
1978:  Alabama (AP) vs USC (UPI)
1990:  Colorado (AP) vs Georgia Tech (UPI)
1991:  Miami (AP) vs Washington (Coaches)
1994:  Nebraska (AP/Coaches) vs Penn State (0-loss big-boy team)
1997:  Michigan (AP) vs Nebraska (Coaches)
2003:  LSU (BCS) vs USC (AP)
2004:  USC (BCS/AP) vs Auburn (0-loss big-boy team)
Listing the favorite by S&P+

1978: USC -0.8
1990: Colorado -1.3 (although Miami, FSU and Washington were 1-2-3)
1991: Washington -3.7
1994: Penn State -3.0 (Nebraska was #4, behind #2 Florida and #3 Florida State)
1997: Nebraska -4.8 (and they were #2 and #6, with FSU #1, Florida #3, Tennessee #4, and somehow 8-4 Washington #5)
2003: LSU -0.8
2004: USC -4.6 (Oklahoma was still -1.5 over Auburn including bowl results)
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Re: If the split NCs played, who'd have won?
« Reply #47 on: July 23, 2019, 10:08:16 AM »
Quote from: Temp430 on July 23, 2019, 08:20:52 AM
1997 Nebraska had to come from behind to beat a weak UCF team that year.  Should have lost to Colorado but won on a missed call in the end zone.  Michigan beat common opponents, Colorado and Baylor, by greater margins that year.  Michigan played six ranked opponents during the season, Nebraska played two.  Nebraska's triple threat option offense was about as sophisticated as that of an average high school team.  There is no way Nebraska gets the Coaches trophy without Tom Osborne retiring and Scott Frost making his plea on TV.  Michigan would have beat the Huskers handily.

PS.  Fuck Ohio State.
that's what the media and Spurrier thought in 95
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Re: If the split NCs played, who'd have won?
« Reply #48 on: July 23, 2019, 10:18:51 AM »
I attended that night game monsoon @ Baylor.   It was 42-7 at half.  The 2nd half was miserable, downpour and wind most of the game the old turf was  soaked, the Bear went back in his holding cell, and the refs should've let the clock run.  I remember some Baylor LB pulling a Roy Williams and diving over center to break up a time killing line plunge to Willie Miller on Nebraska's own 1 in the final seconds and score a defensive TD.  

Dave Roberts called his team the worst in America that week.    We drank a lot of those cheap fish bowls of beer that night in Waco.
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Re: If the split NCs played, who'd have won?
« Reply #49 on: July 23, 2019, 10:23:40 AM »
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Re: If the split NCs played, who'd have won?
« Reply #50 on: July 23, 2019, 10:26:48 AM »
I was at the 2001 game in Waco that was delayed by lightning

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Re: If the split NCs played, who'd have won?
« Reply #51 on: July 23, 2019, 11:02:51 AM »
Quote from: Kris60 on July 19, 2019, 11:24:35 PM
I’ll answer the ones I witnessed and remember.


2003- USC.  They were really rolling at the end of that season.

i hear this said all the time like usc was dominating and lsu was struggling to get to end of season, but it's not the case.

usc was playing much much weaker competition than lsu down the stretch.
lsu final 3 games:
- @ ole miss, 10 wins, ranked #15 at time, finished #13/14.
- arkansas, 9 wins
- uga, 11 wins, #5 at time, finished #6/7

ave score diff: 18.33 point win for lsu

usc final 3:
- @ 2-10 arizona
- 6-7 ucla
- 8-5 oregon st

ave score diff: 31.33

i am not saying usc couldn't or wouldn't win those lsu games, but their schedules aren't comparable down the stretch. usc should have been destroying people, and lsu should have been in tough games.
i don't know who would have won, but i tend to give lsu a much better chance than most people give them. usc was playing lights out, no question. but lsu was as well, just against much tougher competition. would have a been a great game.
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Re: If the split NCs played, who'd have won?
« Reply #52 on: July 23, 2019, 01:11:26 PM »
I don't think anyone considers 2003 LSU a pushover vs USC.  That USC team was great, and the run D all-time great, but it was more pass-happy, and Reggie Bush wouldn't go ballistic until a year later.



LSU beat 12-1 OU, holding them to 14 points.  They averaged 43 for the season.  
That OU squad had:
the Heisman/O'Brien winner
the Nagurski/Thorpe winner
the Butkus/Bednarik winner and
the Lombardi winner on it.


LSU had a legit NFL defensive line.  An NFL RB and 2 NFL WRs.  And an AA CB.  They just mashed you, with big, able-bodied dudes all over the field.
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Re: If the split NCs played, who'd have won?
« Reply #53 on: July 23, 2019, 02:54:07 PM »
maybe not, but i rarely see anyone give lsu the nod, and it's almost always accompanied with the caveat that usc was playing better down the stretch, which implies lsu wasn't, which isn't really true. they were just playing much worse teams than lsu was playing.

i think maybe a lot of it has to do with people being upset usc got left out, and they "take it out" on lsu, when it should be directed at ou instead.
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Re: If the split NCs played, who'd have won?
« Reply #54 on: July 23, 2019, 07:53:05 PM »
I don't buy the "playing well down the stretch" reasoning because of that big, fat month-long gap between the regular season and the big bowl games.  Ask Troy Smith what I'm talking about.



And it's also used as a BS excuse for teams that screw around and lose in September.  
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