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Topic: If the split NCs played, who'd have won?

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Re: If the split NCs played, who'd have won?
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2019, 06:45:56 PM »
All this confidence about UNL in 97: ha!
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Re: If the split NCs played, who'd have won?
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2019, 08:48:53 PM »
Well, the funny thing is, any ardent supporter of 02 Ohio State's greatness (a la they had a bunch of close games, but could beat anybody) MUST be a proponent of 97 Michigan's case.


The trump card UM has are their game results.  Some might say "HA, what else matters?", but most of us know other things also matter.  If you go down the line of resume-builders, 97 UM fails to impress in many of them. 
Greise wasn't even that efficient a QB, the best thing you could say about him is that he didn't go out and actively lose games for them.
No great RB, and the backups didn't even have better YPC averages, which is the standard.
Their top WR was only third on the team in receptions.  That's A LOT of dinking and duunking.

Yes, the defense was all-time great.  And during the season, I guess because announcers harped on it so much, much was made about their great run D.  It was great - not all-time great, but great for an individual season.  But the truly all-time great aspect was the pass D.  It wasn't just Woodson, it was more than just him.  That pass D (pass rush + comp % allowed + INTs) was perhaps the best ever (I haven't done a real study on it).

So besides all that, what UM did to ranked opponents in 97 was crazy.  Wins vs 7 ranked teams at the time they played, including a blowout win AT #2.  Closed the year wtih 3 close wins over 3 ranked teams.  It wasn't too hard to beat UM's resume, but it was hard to beat them.



The problem with the fictional Nebraska matchup is that that all-time best pass D would be ignored because Nebraska wouldn't need to throw.  That's a big deal - it negates the #1 item on their resume.  If you could switch UM's defensive quality between pass and run, and the run D was perhaps the best ever, THEN you'd have A LOT more people picking the Wolverines. 
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Re: If the split NCs played, who'd have won?
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2019, 10:54:20 PM »
The defense was at least as superlative as UNL's offense. I would argue more but have that bias. Meanwhile Michigan's regular season was superior. UNL could be argued to have leapt to tie for the championship because of its bowl game and Osbourne's retirement mixed with a regular season that didn't disqualify them.
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Re: If the split NCs played, who'd have won?
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2019, 11:37:45 PM »
If you look at the other O-D matchup, I'm not sure Michigan scores on Nebraska.  
Simply avoiding an INT wouldn't have been enough for Greise.  Manning had 131 yards on 34 attempts...which is awful.  What would Greise do?
Plus, the Huskers' run D was statistically better than Michigan's.  


If neither team can pass, advantage to the option team.  
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Re: If the split NCs played, who'd have won?
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2019, 10:05:36 AM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on July 20, 2019, 10:54:20 PM
UNL could be argued to have leapt to tie for the championship because of its bowl game and Osbourne's retirement mixed with a regular season that didn't disqualify them.
I would add the 54-15 victory on Dec. 6th in the Big 12 champ game.

Osborne's retirement probably caused his players to play harder/better in the bowl game, but I doubt many voters felt sorry for Osborne since he had back to back tiles a few seasons earlier
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Re: If the split NCs played, who'd have won?
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2019, 07:00:16 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 21, 2019, 10:05:36 AM
I would add the 54-15 victory on Dec. 6th in the Big 12 champ game.

Osborne's retirement probably caused his players to play harder/better in the bowl game, 
Wait wait wait, I've been told countless times here that players always play their best and that there is no possibility of ups and downs, despite all evidence to the contrary.
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Re: If the split NCs played, who'd have won?
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2019, 08:56:02 PM »
you've been countless times by one guy that roots for the Badgers

not much experience in big games
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Re: If the split NCs played, who'd have won?
« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2019, 06:52:12 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 21, 2019, 08:56:02 PM
you've been countless times by one guy that roots for the Badgers

not much experience in big games
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Image result for picture of scoreboard wisconsin nebraska 70-31
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Re: If the split NCs played, who'd have won?
« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2019, 10:36:49 AM »
big game for you ;)
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Re: If the split NCs played, who'd have won?
« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2019, 10:48:15 AM »
CCG's are big games for any school.
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Re: If the split NCs played, who'd have won?
« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2019, 11:02:31 AM »
I really liked the 1999 Big 12 champ game, but not many Husker fans are enamored by the 1997 win over A&M, or the 99 win over the Horns, or the too many that they lost to the Sooners or Horns or Badgers

but I agree, they are bigger than most regular season games and most bowl games
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Re: If the split NCs played, who'd have won?
« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2019, 04:35:39 PM »
Badge used the wrong GIF. Meant this one.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MRxQ9dw-ok

Looking back, that was one of the most shameful performances in terms of tackling and angles I've ever seen. Also interesting, Neb came into that game 17th in Defensive F/+. After that and a UGA loss, they finished in something like the mid-30s.
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Re: If the split NCs played, who'd have won?
« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2019, 05:09:48 PM »
It happens vs good motivated offenses

Coach on his way out has a way of motivating

ask the Tenn Vols in the 98 Orange bowl vs Osborne's last team.  Defensively, the Volunteers were tough against the run, allowing fewer than 95 yards per game on the ground.
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Re: If the split NCs played, who'd have won?
« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2019, 05:12:21 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on July 22, 2019, 04:35:39 PM
Badge used the wrong GIF. Meant this one.

that's a loooong GIF

I prefer this one.

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I'd say the dude took a BAD angle
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