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Topic: If '19 LSU was all-time great, who would you pick them to beat?

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OrangeAfroMan

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If '19 LSU was all-time great, who would you pick them to beat?
« on: January 14, 2020, 11:40:00 PM »
Keeping the list short, to make it tough. 
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No, this doesn't mean the 330-lb players literally lining up across from the 220-lb linemen from yesteryear.  If the teams were era-balanced out, based on how good they were, who would LSU's big-passing offense and good-enough defense beat?
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If you think they'd likely beat multiple teams, say so and share why.
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Re: If '19 LSU was all-time great, who would you pick them to beat?
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2020, 11:45:51 PM »
just guessing as anyone, but the two husker teams didn't take prisoners

the Miami team was more talented, possibly not disciplined enough to execute for 60 minutes

I'm guessing Joe might out gun Vince, but we will never know

I picked Texas
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Re: If '19 LSU was all-time great, who would you pick them to beat?
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2020, 12:14:41 AM »
Write in vote for '19 MSU.  I think they'd beat us
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Re: If '19 LSU was all-time great, who would you pick them to beat?
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2020, 07:30:11 AM »
It's too bad we didn't get to see OSU play LSU. Not saying they would have won, but after seeing the teams I think OSU matched up a lot better than Clemson did.  Oh well.
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Re: If '19 LSU was all-time great, who would you pick them to beat?
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2020, 10:59:47 AM »
Ha!  Vince Young would not lose to this Tiger team.  Shoot, the 2019 Texas Longhorns only lost by a TD and they're about 1000x worse than that 2005 team.  It was certainly a great season for LSU though.

I know OAM asked to discount it, but I can't-- it's obvious that the '71 Huskers would be the team to lose.  There's just such a drastic difference in strength/size/speed of the players, as well as drastic increases in the technical sophistication of the game.

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Re: If '19 LSU was all-time great, who would you pick them to beat?
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2020, 01:00:08 PM »
But you have to judge the teams by how they did against teams from their season.  Effectiveness of the running/passing games, defensive play, turnovers, etc.  
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You can't pick them if the actual players lined up against each other - it's nonsensical.  The timeline adjustment would win every time.
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Re: If '19 LSU was all-time great, who would you pick them to beat?
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2020, 01:06:55 PM »
So are we supposed to be imagining what this LSU team would be like with 90s sized players? Or what 95 Nebraska would look like with players from the 2020s?
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Re: If '19 LSU was all-time great, who would you pick them to beat?
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2020, 01:53:34 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 15, 2020, 01:00:08 PM
But you have to judge the teams by how they did against teams from their season.  Effectiveness of the running/passing games, defensive play, turnovers, etc. 
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You can't pick them if the actual players lined up against each other - it's nonsensical.  The timeline adjustment would win every time.

I mean, I see what you're getting at, I just don't think there's any good way to apply it.  Especially with the '71 Huskers, who many (most?) of us never saw play a single game.

Perhaps that's my real challenge with the hypothetical, because I can do it for the '95 Huskers.  And I believe that's the best college football team I've ever seen play.
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Re: If '19 LSU was all-time great, who would you pick them to beat?
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2020, 01:54:59 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on January 15, 2020, 07:30:11 AM
It's too bad we didn't get to see OSU play LSU. Not saying they would have won, but after seeing the teams I think OSU matched up a lot better than Clemson did.  Oh well.

I think the game would have looked almost exactly the same.  tOSU was good this year.  So was Clemson.  LSU was 2 TDs better than both.  Just my opinion, obviously.
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Re: If '19 LSU was all-time great, who would you pick them to beat?
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2020, 02:01:08 PM »
Well here's a snippet...
most people view '95 UNL as THE team.  So let's look at one aspect of '95 UNL vs '19 LSU:
Nebraska's pass defense was good that year, but not special.  Nor did they have an inordinate number of sacks.  However, we all saw how they did vs Spurrier's offense in the Fiesta Bowl.  They had time to prepare and Florida had a rudimentary pass-blocking scheme.  
I think UNL's pass defense/pass rush is inflated in our minds because of that game.  Kudos to them for displaying their peak defense vs the passing game in the biggest game of the season, but their baseline or average wasn't special.  Does LSU have more 3-step drops than Florida did?  Burrow is 100x more agile in the pocket and scrambling than Wuerffel was.  Stronger arm, too.  Idk if LSU's OL is better, but their scheme certainly is.  
I don't see a repeat of UNL's pass game defense vs '19 LSU.  They were very good, I'm not talking down on them.  But I've spent the past 5 months of my life familiarizing myself with individual teams from the past 50 years and that wasn't a team strength.  
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That's the sort of thought experiment that works with comparing teams across eras.  
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Re: If '19 LSU was all-time great, who would you pick them to beat?
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2020, 02:05:54 PM »
95UNL run game vs 19LSU...
LSU's defense overall wasn't great this year.  And they certainly didn't face anything like the option juggernaut the 95Huskers were.  They are beefy in the middle, but lack a stud MLB.  I'm not sure walking S Delpit up is going to do much of anything vs the FB dives or other inside runs.  That #18 on the Tigers would get caught a lot in-between the QB and the pitch man, sprinkled between getting ear-holed by those road-grading O-linemen.  As much fun as it'd be breaking down the LSU offense vs the UNL defense, I"m afraid Nebraska's punter is going to be bored in this hypothetical.
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Re: If '19 LSU was all-time great, who would you pick them to beat?
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2020, 02:36:11 PM »
Are we using 2020 rules?
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Re: If '19 LSU was all-time great, who would you pick them to beat?
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2020, 02:42:25 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 15, 2020, 02:05:54 PM
95UNL run game vs 19LSU...
LSU's defense overall wasn't great this year.  And they certainly didn't face anything like the option juggernaut the 95Huskers were.  They are beefy in the middle, but lack a stud MLB.  I'm not sure walking S Delpit up is going to do much of anything vs the FB dives or other inside runs.  That #18 on the Tigers would get caught a lot in-between the QB and the pitch man, sprinkled between getting ear-holed by those road-grading O-linemen.  As much fun as it'd be breaking down the LSU offense vs the UNL defense, I"m afraid Nebraska's punter is going to be bored in this hypothetical.
and LSU hasn't seen anything like that offense in years

do they get film to prepare or just throw them out on the field


Wuerffel isn't Joe Burrow and didn't have that great of a season, but he had a great season and Spurrier's offense was top notch at the time
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Re: If '19 LSU was all-time great, who would you pick them to beat?
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2020, 02:44:57 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 15, 2020, 02:01:08 PM

That's the sort of thought experiment that works with comparing teams across eras. 
you need an active imagination

do you go with the baseline/average ofr teams or the peak performance in the biggest game?
I'm a little surprised two folks voted for the 95 Huskers
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