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Re: How to assess teams preseason ...
« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2019, 12:06:41 PM »
Maryland schedule:

Non-con Syracuse

west

10/12 Purdue

10/26 @Minnesota

11/23 Nebraska
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Re: How to assess teams preseason ...
« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2019, 12:27:08 PM »
Not even close Cincy.

Are you really senile?

Do you know who Josh Jackson is? Did you even read the rest of the post, or do you just stop at certain points?

You play that Merry-Go-Round game in the college football part as well?

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Re: How to assess teams preseason ...
« Reply #30 on: May 24, 2019, 12:34:15 PM »
Is Josh Jackson a "solid returning QB with experience"?   Well, he has some experience, as to whether he's solid or not, that is arguable, but let's check that box as a plus.

Anything else?  Does that "literally check off most of my boxes"?  It's one box, arguably, out of 5.

The schedule, to me, looks rather daunting, with Syracuse as the main OOC opponent, plus Nebraska, and the usual East opponents.




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Re: How to assess teams preseason ...
« Reply #31 on: May 24, 2019, 12:50:16 PM »
Not even close Cincy.

Are you really senile?

Do you know who Josh Jackson is? Did you even read the rest of the post, or do you just stop at certain points?

You play that Merry-Go-Round game in the college football part as well?
Without delving into the efficacy of these particular requirements, I do tip my cap to this sort of aggressive brand of optimism.

You’ve been around a while, there’s always recruiting movements and players who should be in the conversation that pop up, and it’s presented with such fire. It’s been a long time since I could see a player like Josh Jackson, doing what he did in a QB friendly system and say “Ah ha, he’s gonna be a stabalizing force.”

Maryland just feels like so many wildcards. O-line was nothing super special last year. Coach is a question, recent history a question, recruiting is decent, but probably at best fourth in the division. Maybe they deliver.

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Re: How to assess teams preseason ...
« Reply #32 on: May 24, 2019, 01:01:45 PM »
Maryland could well deliver, but against the five items I posted as criteria, they check off one of them, apparently.  I'm willing to entertain which other box they check.

They might well do better than 5-7 though.  If they hold serve against lesser or equal foes and lose to say Syracuse/PSU/OSU/UM, they'd have a shot at say 9-4 with a bowl win, which would be an outstanding result I think.


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Re: How to assess teams preseason ...
« Reply #33 on: May 24, 2019, 02:23:12 PM »
. . . How often does a top level team hinge on a great defense these days?  No doubt it's a clear asset, but Bama and Clemson and OSU etc. can be relied upon to have great athletes every year on D which is why I don't "worry about it much".
Sooner fans wish that we could take defense for granted.  The last two years, we'd have loved to have had even a mediocre one.
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Re: How to assess teams preseason ...
« Reply #34 on: May 24, 2019, 03:01:19 PM »
I wonder what a good defense would put up in terms of numbers in the Big 12.  Iowa State?

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Re: How to assess teams preseason ...
« Reply #35 on: May 24, 2019, 04:42:43 PM »
Iowa State probably has the best defense in the Big 12, especially when results are measured against talent.

Matt Campbell has a good program going in Ames.  And Iowa State fans certainly deserve some success.  They are the most loyal and steadfast in the conference, I believe.
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Re: How to assess teams preseason ...
« Reply #36 on: May 24, 2019, 09:01:15 PM »
Campbell and the Clones getting some love in the way too early prognostications

might be a helluva early battle with the Hawkeyes

two solid defensive teams
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Re: How to assess teams preseason ...
« Reply #37 on: May 24, 2019, 11:34:25 PM »
The OL checks another box. 

It was good enough to run rampant over most teams last year, and the 2 tackles who are in the NFL now, underperformed. 

"3 Seniors, 5 Juniors, 2 RS sophomores, and 4 RS freshmen, one of which, Jaelyn Duncan, is a 4-star recruit who can really move, has cracked the starter spot at LT it looks like, and caught a pass in the Spring game." 

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Re: How to assess teams preseason ...
« Reply #38 on: May 25, 2019, 12:31:07 PM »
1) Bama
2) Clemson

Does it really matter after that?

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Re: How to assess teams preseason ...
« Reply #39 on: May 25, 2019, 12:40:58 PM »
The OL checks another box.

It was good enough to run rampant over most teams last year, and the 2 tackles who are in the NFL now, underperformed.

"3 Seniors, 5 Juniors, 2 RS sophomores, and 4 RS freshmen, one of which, Jaelyn Duncan, is a 4-star recruit who can really move, has cracked the starter spot at LT it looks like, and caught a pass in the Spring game."
Optimism man. 

So the line was good, but loses two guys. Not just two guys, but NFL guys, one of whom was basically getting the same treatment as Duncan. But using NFL guys should be bad, but those NFL guys underperformed, so not as much of a loss. 

We move over the running rampant on most teams. This ... it turns out to be a little less clear. They ran rampant on oddly half the teams they played, really rampant. And then were kinda not great against half. Yes, they just mushed five of the six worse run defenses in the league (that's a good sign), and got held below 4.4 YPC six times, to 4.0 or fewer five. 

Beyond that, the run success was boom or bust, which tends to reflect less on the line. More than 22 percent of their carries went for loss. They were a bit above average in how often their runs went 5 or more yards. (Pass pro was statistically just dreadful)

And that's all before we look at the departure of a very run-friendly system and going to a Scottie Montgomery offense. I did not realize he took over there. Not sure how to feel about that. (Enjoy the O-line hire)

Anyway, not to say that precludes the line from being good, but I don't know it checks a box. Granted, all offseason O-line hype is to a degree muddled. It's hard to measure and prone to getting puffed up everywhere, especially since the line tends to be on average more lamented. 

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Re: How to assess teams preseason ...
« Reply #40 on: May 25, 2019, 03:52:54 PM »
"Good OL, not great that I'm aware, because we lost 2 to the NFL, but great highly sought after OL replace them, with experience. "

That doesn't sound to me like a proven experienced OLine, but even if so, it's 2 out of 5, which is not most.

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Re: How to assess teams preseason ...
« Reply #41 on: May 25, 2019, 11:33:00 PM »
1) Bama
2) Clemson

Does it really matter after that?
not until proven otherwise
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