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How is your team now vs. how you thought they would be pre-season?
« on: September 26, 2023, 01:19:18 PM »
For Penn State:

Much better than I expected

Quarterback - I don't really buy into recruiting rankings that much.  I know he's a 5 star guy, but he was replacing a 6th year player that is an NFL draft pick and 2nd teamer.  I just didn't think there was much room for improvement.  The season is still young, but so far he has lived up to the hype.

Better than I thought: 

Tight Ends - Last year Franklin called them the "best Tight End room in the country."  I knew they would be good, but they have been excellent in every phase of the game.  The young guys have looked good, too.

About what I expected:

Cornerbacks - one of the best units in the country
Safeties - Strong unit, lots of athleticism and depth
Defensive Ends - The best in the country when rushing the QB, not so great at stopping the run
Defensive Tackles - Average

Slightly worse than I expected:

Offensive Line - the loss of Langdon Tengwell was pretty big, as his replacements have struggled to open holes for the running game.  However, they have looked good in pass protection.

Linebackers - YTD* stats by player:  Abdul Carter has 11 tackles, 1 sack, and 1 interception.  Curtis Jacobs has 15 tackles, 1 sack, and 2 fumble recoveries.  Tyler Elsdon has 4 tackles.  Dom DeLuca has 9 tackles, 1 sack, 2 forced fumbles and a pick 6. Kobe King has 10 tackles and 1 fumble recovery.  Tony Rojas has 6 tackles. They've caused lots of turnovers, but the stats seem less than steller.  Most concerning?  Abdul Carter is not the wrecking ball he was last season.

*PSU has only played 215 defensive snaps, so I'm probably nitpicking here a bit.

Running Backs - Despite having 3 B1G 1000 yard rushers in the room, the stats have been pedestrian.  Some of that was by design (out Iowa-ing Iowa), and some of that is due to opponents stacking the box.  The O-Line has struggled a bit to open running lanes, too.  Still, I expected big things from this group, and it just hasn't happened yet. 

Worse than I expected:

Wide Receivers:  Keandre Lambert-Smith is looking great, and is making a strong case to be one of the better receivers in the B1G.  However, behind him is a mix of guys that flash, but are struggling to break out.  PSU's 2nd best wide receiver has been injured, and Dante Cephas is still trying to learn the playbook, so I am expecting the unit to improve substantially.

A few other notes:

Penn State has done something that not many college teams can do.  They are consistently able to take what a defense gives them, and grind out a drive down the field.  In the Franklin era, PSU lived and died on explosive plays, which wasn't a problem, because PSU had so many they were typically among the best in the country.  This season?  Penn State ranks dead last in the B1G.  They have only 9 plays over 20 yards.

Penn State leads the nation in turnover margin.  They have forced 11 turnovers and turned the ball over 0 times.

Penn State has the nation's longest streak in scoring 30 or more points per game, and ranks 33rd overall in total offense.  Pretty great, eh?  No.  PSU only averages 5.45 yards per play.  They score due to turnovers and because

Penn State has the nation's #1 overall defense.

Some of PSU's stats may be a bit skewed because they've played a tougher schedule than most so far.  Their next two opponents are Northwestern and UMass. 

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Re: How is your team now vs. how you thought they would be pre-season?
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2023, 01:23:33 PM »
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Re: How is your team now vs. how you thought they would be pre-season?
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2023, 01:41:04 PM »
QB - as expected.
RB - as expected, but just lost a major part of the room.
TE - above expected.
WR - below expected.
OL - as expected, and about to get some needed help at C.

DL - below expected, and about to get some needed help at DT.
ILB - far below expected.
OLB - below expected.
CB - below expected.
S - below expected, except for one superstar.
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« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2023, 02:13:51 PM »
In all seriousness

QB - slightly below.  Thorne was bad last year, and it's not like Kim or Houser won the job, Thorne just wasn't promised he had retained it, so I expected about the same
RB - as expected.  Carter has been good.  The #2 (Berger) and #3 (Mangham) have been hurt.  The guys behind them have looked as bad as you expect those guys to look
WR/TE - WAY below expected.  The expectations weren't even that high, considering the projected #1 and #2 guys both transferred, and somehow they are even below that.  The drops have been inexcusible
OL - below expected.  Expected competence, have not reached that bar

DL - WAY below expected.  This was supposed to be the strength of the team.  They haven't been bad, particularly considering two starters out injured, but they certainly haven't been good.  Considering what the back 7 was going to be, the drop off from great to average has been killer
LB - as expected.  They were expected to be middling, as that's what they've been
CB - slightly above expected.  No this is considering they were supposed to be a total dumpster fire.  They've been not great, for sure, but better than the safeties.  The true freshman, Chase Rucker, showed something last weekend.  He might be special.  Grose has been ok.
S - below expected.  Too many blown coverages over the top

Special Teams - above expectations.  If this had been MSU's kicker last year, they win 1 or 2 more games

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Re: How is your team now vs. how you thought they would be pre-season?
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2023, 02:31:54 PM »
Offense - About as expected playing subpar opponents.

Defense - Somewhat worse than expected, a lot of injuries there as well.

ST - FG kicking worse than expected, punt returns better than expected.

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« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2023, 02:52:30 PM »
Save for a couple of kickoffs out of bounds, I'm pleased with the special teams in Madison.
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Re: How is your team now vs. how you thought they would be pre-season?
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2023, 03:31:41 PM »
Ohio State has played substantially better opposition than most and yet I still feel like I don't know.  

So far, offense:
Unless ND's defense is a LOT better than I'm giving them credit for, I think the tOSU offense has regressed considerably. 

Defense:
They seem quite solid. Holding ND to 14 is great unless ND's offense is a LOT worse than I am giving them credit for. 

The problem is that I'm more-or-less rating this solely on performance against ND and:

  • I don't know how good they are, and
  • That *MIGHT* have just been a really good or really bad game by one team or the other.


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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2023, 05:32:56 PM »
Ohio State has played substantially better opposition than most and yet I still feel like I don't know. 

So far, offense:
Unless ND's defense is a LOT better than I'm giving them credit for, I think the tOSU offense has regressed considerably.

Defense:
They seem quite solid. Holding ND to 14 is great unless ND's offense is a LOT worse than I am giving them credit for.

The problem is that I'm more-or-less rating this solely on performance against ND and:

  • I don't know how good they are, and
  • That *MIGHT* have just been a really good or really bad game by one team or the other.


you and I see the football world differently.  You are as good at "data" as anyone I have ever come across.  I see the nuance, momentum, psychology, etc.

In a nutshell- you and I always disagree on "how good a team is" (you) versus "what a team is capable of" (me).

You say they offense has regressed.  Well- the QB just got drafted early first round, and is already kicking ass in the NFL.  Three starting offensive lineman were drafted and are now starting in the NFL.   What other outcome could there possibly be- early in the season? It takes reps for both those positions to gain experience and have the game slow down for them.   So- clearly, whatever potential they might reach is yet to come.  The speed at which they are progressing is a pleasant surprise to me. For them to go into a night game against that high quality of an opponent, and find a way to win- is gravy.  There is no way they could have done that in week 1.

Another aspect is this concept of "complimentary football".   That phrase gets thrown around a lot, but I honestly don't think a lot of people understand what it means.  So- an explosive offense, Like OSU has typically had, doesn't give their defense anywhere near the rest that a plodding, running offense does.  How that often translates is- the defense tends to wear out later in games.  You just saw it- Henderson scores on a 61 yarder, and the defense- who just did a great job, has to go right back on the field.  And it happened again-- Ohio State went up tempo- moved right down to the red zone, and Fryar got that stupid penalty killing the drive. The Irish, again, get the ball right back.   So- the explosive offense has to be extremely high % scoring, or it can work against you.

Ryan Day has mentioned "complimentary football" a ton this offseason, camp and this season.   You see them running a much less aggressive offense at times, much less up tempo.  This- IMHO- is one of the reasons why.  That- and a brand new QB.

So given all of that:

Offense:

about where i would expect- maybe a tad ahead of schedule.  QB, on schedule, Offensive line, maybe on schedule or a tad behind. WRs/RBs- nuff said.

Defense:

More than I hoped for. Changes to the scheme/understanding Knowles scheme are clearly improving things.  LBs- good as expected.  Defensive Line- not as many sacks- but consistent pressure forcing teams to get the ball out fast and preventing long passes.  DBs/Safety- miles ahead of last year.

There is not a team I have watched that I think OSU could not hang with.  Especialy as the season moves along.   I dont know yet how good they can be, but it potentially is VERY DAMN GOOD.
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Re: How is your team now vs. how you thought they would be pre-season?
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2023, 05:35:50 PM »
complementary != complimentary


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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2023, 06:12:40 PM »
I might let you know after the Michigan game

the QB position has been below expected
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« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2023, 07:00:15 PM »
I might let you know after the Michigan game

the QB position has been below expected
Only if you had ridiculous expectations. 

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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2023, 07:16:02 PM »
I didn't think about them pre-season, so I guess... Within the realm of expectations?

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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2023, 07:20:36 PM »
Overall, 3-1 is good for Florida, having played 2 ranked teams.

QB - upper range of what I wanted/expected.....was hoping he'd just avoid being a turnover machine.  He's done that and seemed more lively than I anticipated.  Not going to go out and win games with his arm, but looks like he's not going to go lose any, which is nice.
 
RB - my official grade is "stupid" - Etienne is a DUDE, yet he's splitting carries with a good RB (Johnson) and a FR RB for some reason.  Etienne should have double the carries he has currently.  Give him the damn ball.

WR - it's been good, but weird and kind of incomplete....Pearsall is good - 1,000 yd level guy, but the OC seemed hell-bent on gettiing a FR the ball a lot, but he got hurt.....also, the TEs have been weird as there's depth and good plays here and there (keeping in mind the starter was hurt in the spring)

OL - crap salad vs Utah, kickass vs Tenn.....so idk.  

DL - great job - talent and depth.....good pass rush w/o blitzing for the most part

LB - some anonymous dudes had me worried preseason, and while they can run, the can also get pushed around....no real bell-cow, big swinging dick LB is on the roster atm

DBs - first play of the season notwithstanding, they're okay....young, so should improve......some very talented guys can't seem to get on the field, so I guess that's a good thing?  Work in progress, tbh

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