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Topic: How do you think the US economy is doing right now?

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Re: How do you think the US economy is doing right now?
« Reply #462 on: August 21, 2024, 09:08:17 AM »
between 2010 to 2019 fracked oil in North Dakota Williston area grew from 300,000 barrels of oil a month to 7½ million barrels a month.
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Re: How do you think the US economy is doing right now?
« Reply #463 on: August 21, 2024, 09:36:03 AM »
It really is stunning, and I think is the underpinning of a lot of US economic growth during that period.  Instead of sending dollars out, we kept them internally, mostly.

Without it, we'd probably have $5/gallon gas today.

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Re: How do you think the US economy is doing right now?
« Reply #464 on: August 23, 2024, 10:22:04 AM »
Interesting.

What net worth does one need to be rich in 2024? Here's what Americans think (msn.com)
What net worth does one need to be rich in 2024? Here's what Americans think (msn.com)
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Re: How do you think the US economy is doing right now?
« Reply #465 on: August 23, 2024, 10:29:45 AM »
Charles Schwab's annual [color=var(--accent-foreground-rest)]Modern Wealth Survey[/url] released this week found Americans now believe it takes a $2.5 million net worth on average to be considered wealthy in 2024, up from $2.2 million for the past two years. [/font][/size][/color]






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Re: How do you think the US economy is doing right now?
« Reply #466 on: August 23, 2024, 10:59:34 AM »
$2.5M net worth?  I don't consider that wealthy.  For a lot of folks probably close to half of that is tied up in your house.  Even if you're getting 10% on the rest that's not really enough to live on, insurance alone would eat up a ton of that. 

I'd guess that most folks with $2.5M net worth are still working schlubs like me.


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Re: How do you think the US economy is doing right now?
« Reply #467 on: August 23, 2024, 11:03:57 AM »
For a student or person struggling, a million sounds wealthy, I suspect.  For someone with fair means, it probably sounds "OK".  For a person with $10 million, it probably sounds "poorish".  There are likely a lot more folks in the first group than the last giving opinions.

We did this poll around here and I think hit on $5 million, or so, as opinion here, I'd guess most of us are doing fairly well.

I think one can retire fairly comfortably with a net worth of $2.5 million IFF one is 65 or so.

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Re: How do you think the US economy is doing right now?
« Reply #468 on: August 23, 2024, 11:14:04 AM »
I think one can retire fairly comfortably with a net worth of $2.5 million IFF one is 65 or so.
I'd think so. Especially given that a lot of people with that net worth has probably spent enough years at an income level where they're maxing out SS contributions, and thus will get the max benefit. 

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Re: How do you think the US economy is doing right now?
« Reply #469 on: August 23, 2024, 11:15:40 AM »
$2.5M at 65 is one thing.

At 50 it means you're probably still a working stiff.

How much does insurance cost once you retire?

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Re: How do you think the US economy is doing right now?
« Reply #470 on: August 23, 2024, 11:18:13 AM »
$2.5M at 65 is one thing.

At 50 it means you're probably still a working stiff.
Yeah, but $2.5M at 50 means it's going to be growing significantly for the next 15 years until "normal" retirement age, so if you've got a job and $2.5M net worth at 50, you're well on your way to wealthy IMHO. 

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Re: How do you think the US economy is doing right now?
« Reply #471 on: August 23, 2024, 11:19:14 AM »
At 50 it means you're probably still a working stiff.
Edit To Add: Especially if you have two high school kids about to enter college... :'(

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Re: How do you think the US economy is doing right now?
« Reply #472 on: August 23, 2024, 11:23:06 AM »
Yeah, but $2.5M at 50 means it's going to be growing significantly for the next 15 years until "normal" retirement age, so if you've got a job and $2.5M net worth at 50, you're well on your way to wealthy IMHO.

Sure.  But "on your way to wealthy" is not the same as "wealthy."

If you're working because you MUST, I don't consider that wealthy.  To me, "wealthy" means you have enough money not to work at all, and if you're still working it's a choice.  And I also think of "wealthy" as a person who is capable of living a lavish lifestyle, within his means.

Sure there are wealthy people that DON'T live a lavish lifestyle, I think there are stories about Sam Walton still driving an old pickup and living frugally.  But he still had the capability to live lavishly, if he wanted.

Just my opinion of course.


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Re: How do you think the US economy is doing right now?
« Reply #473 on: August 23, 2024, 11:34:24 AM »
How much does insurance cost once you retire?
My cost is unusually low, $134 a month for some Medicare Plus kind of policy, from work (it covers us both).  They take something out of my SS for Medicare, a few hundred, maybe $170.

My coverage seems to be solid though I've been healthy enough not to use it much.  My wife uses it more and she says it's good coverage.

I personally feel "comfortable", as "we" like to say.  I noted my IRA crested a number I never thought I'd see and then the "Kamala Crash" happened, and I pulled some out to pay bills, and now it crested that figure again today.  

For me, being "comfortable" means I'm not going to see a bill that stresses me and we can do "stuff" we want to do without worrying, but it is far short of paying for Delta One tickets etc.  I'll stay in Comfort seats.  Our cruises take a chunk, but manageable.

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Re: How do you think the US economy is doing right now?
« Reply #474 on: August 23, 2024, 12:38:04 PM »
$2.5M at 65 is one thing.

At 50 it means you're probably still a working stiff.

How much does insurance cost once you retire?
Paying $1300 a month for Health, dental and eye insurance for the wife and I until next year when I turn 65 and am elligible for Medicare.  Wife is only 60 so 5 more years of probably a little more than half that. 

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