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Topic: How do you know what you think you know?

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SFBadger96

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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #84 on: March 06, 2025, 07:29:43 PM »
I'm late to this party, but I'll throw my $.03 in.

1) I know what I know based on the totality of my personal experience. I'm reasonably smart, reasonably inquisitive, and reasonably skeptical.
2) I don't know nearly as much as I think I do because my memory is a frail thing. My memory isn't that great, but I'm also aware that my brain creates memories that are false. Pretty sure all of us do that. But some of those false memories feel very, very real. I'll give you a recent example. I have been convinced for years that on January 1, 1994, the day I was at the Rose Bowl watching the Badgers, it was 80 degrees in Pasadena and 140 degrees colder (with wind chill) in Madison, i.e., -60 with wind chill. I have said that many, many times. And I recently looked at the data and it just isn't true. The temperature was in the teens at its coldest in Madison, and while wind chill may have gotten it lower than that, it wasn't 70 degrees lower than that. No way. And Pasadena was in the low 70s. Now, how did I come up with that mistaken idea? I have no idea, but I know I wasn't lying about it. There was some data set that got in my head that somehow my brain manipulated into that memory--one that I've been sure of for a long time (until just recently). There are probably a lot of things like that bouncing around in my head that I'm not aware of. And there are plenty of other things that people tell me about that I was involved in--sometimes apparently very involved in--that I have no memory of. The human brain is a weird place.

PS it did get to -60 wind chill in Madison when I was there. It got down to -30 (real temp) the winter of my senior year, and there was a nasty wind to go with it. Very, very cold. But not on January 1, 1994. Not close.

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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #85 on: March 06, 2025, 08:15:06 PM »
I believe what I believe based on what I understand relating to facts, perspectives, insights, data, etc.  If I assert a thing, and someone points out an issue with it, I either try and confront the issue, or if I can't, change my mind (if it's important).  One good thing about this place is "we" discuss various topics, and at times I will think a thing has utility, and someone will point out something I hadn't considered (see discussion on EVs using two cables).

I don't just say "Well, I believe what I believe and that's that.".
I read the posts.  I consider them.  I'm simply unconvinced by them.  Why is this such a crime?
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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #86 on: March 06, 2025, 08:21:54 PM »


You believe things without using logic or evidence, and refuse to even entertain the idea that your belief is in error, even when confronted by sound arguments the opposite direction. Isn't that the exact same thing you criticize in the religious?
Why are you suggesting I don't even entrtain the idea that my belief is in error?  We're discussing what will be the norm in EV powering 2 decades in the future, and because my view runs counter to yours and others, I'm wrong AND guilty of holding my view despite "sound arguments?"  

LOL

I guess your crystal ball is better than mine.  
None of us KNOWS what will be the outcome.  And you definitely don't KNOW that I refuse to entertain my belief could be in error.  It certainly may be more unlikely today, but 2044 or 2032 or whatever future date you want to pick will be very different than today.

But shit, at least you're having a conversation, which I appreciate.  Most here just jab at me.  And with them, it's hard not to feel holier than thou.  

We'll never have to worry about a shortage of dipshits.
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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #87 on: March 06, 2025, 08:25:59 PM »
With that, you've undercut your right to criticize others' opinions with which you disagree, along with any hope for efficacy when you do.  According to this, there's nothing we can do about our opinions, and it's pointless to denounce them. 

I look forward to the kinder, more genteel, less confrontational OAM.  It's a new era. 
yeah, no.

One can be exposed to new information and evidence.  One can change an opinion based on a preponderance of facts or ideas or experiences.

I believe what I believe about future EV charging for whatever reason, and since the future isn't today, none of us is "right." 

I'm honestly quite underwhelmed by all of these different people so poorly rewording my thoughts on the matter.  So eager to dig my grave, but with a dull shovel and in the wrong spot, it seems.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #88 on: March 06, 2025, 08:27:04 PM »
It is rational and reasonable to adjust your views when given access to more detailed and better information.  This is the very basis of the scientific method.

It is interesting to me, that OAM freely admits he is a science denier.
I agree with you.  Not sure why you incorrectly describe me, though.

Again, your crystal ball must be better than mine.   But pile on, I can take it.  
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #89 on: March 06, 2025, 08:27:38 PM »
I'm guessing he will deny he ever wrote anything like that, it isn't at all what he meant, nobody here understands him ....
Indeed.

I'm being maligned for a prediction that hasn't happened nor not happened yet. 
Excuse me if I find it odd.
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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #90 on: March 06, 2025, 08:33:47 PM »
I think the problem is we are defining word and God by human understanding.  I am a presuppositionalist.  By presuppositional God is good and as such by definition anything God does is good.  By presupposition God is benvolent so anything God does is benevolent by definition.  The problem is we are not God, so we an not presuppose that anything God has done, we can also do because it was good.  We are not God and therefore do not have the preoragtive.  Personally I believe that Micah 6:8 establishes as basis for us to live.  Paraphrased, He has shown us what is good, seek justice, love mercy walk humbly.  I actually have it tattooed on my arm.
...and I'm the one facing all the criticism?   LOL
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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #91 on: March 06, 2025, 08:37:52 PM »
Anyone's next thought about a god is a wasted thought.  This claim is based solely on the evidence of any god existing. 

Do it for fun or mental masturbation?  Sure.  There's no crime in wasted thoughts.
But none of it is warranted. 

Still waiting for that first shred of evidence. 
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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #92 on: March 07, 2025, 06:14:24 AM »
He septupled down. 

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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #93 on: March 07, 2025, 07:06:43 AM »
In an echo chamber, one cannot simply just double down.  :57:
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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #94 on: March 07, 2025, 07:10:38 AM »
"We rarely if ever CHOOSE to be convinced of something, we just believe what we believe.  I find it odd to criticize someone not being convinced of something. " - OAM.

He's just being misunderstood.  Again.  By nearly everyone here.  It's our fault.


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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #95 on: March 07, 2025, 07:55:42 AM »

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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #96 on: March 07, 2025, 08:25:55 AM »
well, here is a rare post from me when i'm not just trying to stir the pot:

an aspect of living I rely on heavily, and I'm just being honest, is giving power over my opinions to the Spirit of God, aka the Holy Spirit.  I fully expect to catch flak for that, especially here.  It's all good, though, as it has served me well.  

there is curiosity in this function, dynamic, practice, or whatever you want to call it.  It requires several adjustments before it works- the first two are accepting "there is something far larger than me or you" and the second being "there is something else calling the shots".   In my opinion there is no argument with either of those conditions, though there is argument, and fairly, with the nature of such a condition existing- as in "what does 'it' want with me or you if it even notices we're here?'... THAT is the argument, not if there is design and guidance. 

Part of these wanderings and wonderings brings the question (a few layers deep, and how I have come to accept from another angle altogether there is absolutely a higher being and that is does know i'm here) is the data storage quandary or maybe data storage enigma... it goes like this, in it's basic form and interjecting analogy:


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  • It took a quantum computer, a year or so ago, almost a month to exhaust the possibilities of combinations and arrange the most likely and functional one on a chromosome/full strand of DNA for a single cell bacteria.  
  • When that bacteria reproduces, it does it by splitting in have, literally.  It's different in this function than complex organisms, but we're only talking about the bacteria here... be my guest to introduce the more complex life forms as it furthers the point I'm going to (try) to make. 

where is the data stored?

for one single misapplication or out of sequence event, life doesn't happen - things change significantly enough that shot was a 'dud'...  that happens, but that is the exception not the rule.  where is the source code for triggering that single cell bacteria's preparation and then execution of splitting itself in half and providing equal resources to it's duplicate? For just that single cell bacteria the data processing is monstrously heavy and that is focused solely on its reproduction - where does the information come from that carries out other functions required for it's lifecycle?  JUST the reproduction alone required to arrange in the proper order a duplicate and functional chromosome took the very best of our creations a month to solve - but this tiny thing just 'knows'?  

the questions, not discovered but highlighted, by that analogy is (the basic two) 
  • is this information stored within the walls of that single cell?
or
  • is there something of a 'cloud' transmitting directives we've not yet detected (through scientific effort)? 
  
now I get y'all are scratching your heads wondering where I get the license to introduce this subject to this thread in this manner, but there is relationship, here, by my reckoning... 

The difference with Faith than any other single thing i've encountered is that I had to put faith in it first before all the pieces aligned and it... revealed?.. its value.   It's been my observation a person deriving their positions based on tangible things alone and dismissing Faith are ignoring what may be the greater splash.  This isn't to say a person of Faith has better insight, and because- frankly- i think that's more often faked than actual... it IS to say that a person collecting whatever evidence about a subject worthy enough of the effort, pondering them, and then seeking guidance from outside the walls of our skin may be taking better advantage of how this world actually operates though is unproven by science... and a 'science' that purposely and intently dismisses exploring that possibility.  

it's in that spirit^ i've come to trust in that 'cloud', as it has served me well... and it wouldn't exist without exploring it in good 'faith' (lowercase, faith is a different sort than uppercase Faith).   

On matters that matter, I try to arm myself with as much information as possible- from any vantage... i'm a firm believer that "though someone or something is often wrong, it doesn't mean they're always wrong and likewise because someone is always right .....'... and once i've done my part, i listen closely to the Movement of the Holy Spirit to direct me.  

never forget a chicken in south carolina out picked all but a handful of people a few years ago in a march madness bracket... your randomness is no more powerful than my means of arrangement... I just choose to believe in something far larger than me or you, and that it knows we're here, and that it has a means of communication between us- if you just listen. 


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Re: How do you know what you think you know?
« Reply #97 on: March 07, 2025, 09:40:34 AM »
I believe what I believe about future EV charging for whatever reason, and since the future isn't today, none of us is "right."
Again, epistemology. The thread title: "How do you know what you think you know?"

I'm basing my prediction on knowledge of engineering, physics, economics, and my history of working in a corporate environment and observing how competitive companies in the same industry operate. I also base it on nearly a decade of observance of how the EV / charging industry has developed thus far, and from discussions with EV owners about what they primarily do and don't care about. The market is already moving away from the "fast charging / gas station" model outside of long-distance trips, which already means that the one time EV users would want/need battery swaps is something most people do maybe 0-3 times per year, so it's the exception not the rule. 

You state you're basing your prediction on "whatever reason". You simply think it's what the industry wants/needs, and they'll just "figure it out". And because of the weight of batteries, you're basing it on the development future battery technology which doesn't today, and may never, exist. 

It's true that because it's a future prediction, none of us is "right". But from the standpoint of this thread, would you not agree that I have a more sound basis for my prediction than you yours? 

Again, you said:

I'm really not a fan of someone who has a strong opinion, but hasn't spent much time pondering the issue.

In the case of this discussion, you seem to have a strong opinion based on "whatever reason". If you had spent much time pondering the issue, you would have met my arguments with counterarguments, not "well I just think this will happen."

The answer to "How do you know what you think you know?" shouldn't, IMHO, be "for whatever reason".

 

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