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Topic: HFA in general and specifically as relates to the four new West Coast

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medinabuckeye1

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Re: HFA in general and specifically as relates to the four new West Coast
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2024, 10:53:30 AM »
@betarhoalphadelta is possibly the only other poster who is enough of a stats geek to appreciate this but I was curious so I did some looking.  

If you look at the last 80 years of tOSU/M:

  • Ohio State leads 23-15-1 in Columbus
  • Michigan leads 20-18-2 in Ann Arbor.  
The 2020 game was not played but Ohio State went to the NCG that year and Michigan completely sucked so if we treat that as a tOSU win then give Michigan a win for the 1992 tie in Columbus and conversely give tOSU wins for the ties in Ann Arbor in 1973 and 1949 you get this:
  • Ohio State leads 24-16 in Columbus
  • Tied up 20-20 in Ann Arbor
So the HFA difference averages one game every 20 years.  Dividing the above into four 20-year segments, the average is:
  • Ohio State leads 6-4 in Columbus
  • Tied up 5-5 in Ann Arbor

It is even less of a factor in the Oaken Bucket game, over the last 80 years:
  • Purdue leads 27-12-1 in West Lafayette
  • Purdue leads 25-14 in Bloomington
The 2020 game was not played but Indiana was a LOT better than Purdue that year so lets assume that IU would have won that game in Bloomington then give the 1958 tie in West Lafayette to Indiana as well, you get:
  • Purdue leads 27-13 in West Lafayette
  • Purdue leads 25-15 in Bloomington
The HFA difference is only two games or one game every 40 years.  

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Re: HFA in general and specifically as relates to the four new West Coast
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2024, 11:21:36 AM »
The gamblers say that HFA is worth around a FG.  Now you have to double that because that is off of neutral so the difference between Purdue playing Indiana in West Lafayette and playing them in Bloomington is a total of 6 points:

  • If the neutral field spread was PU-2 then
  • The spread for IU at PU would be PU-5
  • The spread for PU at IU would be PU+1

Using that as a guide, HFA was what I'll call "theoretically decisive" in games won by the home team by 6 or less points.  For PU/IU over the last 80 years (1944-2023) that is:
  • PU won by 4 in WL in 2023
  • IU won by 2 in B in 2016
  • IU won by 3 in B in 2007
  • IU won by 6 in B in 2001
  • PU won by 3 in WL in 1992
  • IU won by 2 in B in 1991
  • PU won by 2 in WL in 1986
  • IU won by 3 in B in 1981
  • PU won by 1 in WL in 1980
  • PU won by 3 in WL in 1968
  • IU won by 5 in B in 1967 (last league title for both IU and MN and it wouldn't have been for either of them if PU had won this game)
  • PU won by 6 in WL in 1964
  • tie in 1958
  • PU won by 6 in WL in 1954
  • PU won by 5 in WL in 1952
  • IU won by 2 in B in 1949
  • IU won by 2 in B in 1947


Same list but for tOSU/M:
  • M won by 6 in AA in 2023
  • tOSU won by 3 in C in 2016
  • tOSU won by 5 in C in 2012
  • M won by 6 in AA in 2011
  • tOSU won by 3 in C in 2006
  • tOSU won by 5 in C in 2002
  • M won by 6 in AA in 1997
  • tie in 1992
  • M won by 3 in AA in 1983
  • tOSU won by 2 in C in 1974
  • tie in 1973
  • tOSU won by 3 in C in 1972
  • M won by 3 in AA in 1971
  • tOSU won by 6 in C in 1958
  • tie in 1949
  • M won by 4 in AA in 1945
  • tOSU won by 4 in C in 1944

Above I showed the records and those indicated that HFA only contributed 2-4 wins in 80 years in the PU/IU and tOSU/M games.  However, using the standard 3 point differential that Vegas uses I'm getting 17 games in each.  I'm fascinated that the difference is THAT big.  

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Re: HFA in general and specifically as relates to the four new West Coast
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2024, 11:22:05 AM »
Didn't the league used to have a rule that mandated bussing to games within a certain distance? 

I'm assuming that dropped that once the money spigot got cranked up to where the cost was a nonfactor. 
I think it was 4 hours max.

Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure UW still busses to Purdue and Champaign, in addition to the above.
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