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MrNubbz

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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2020, 08:50:03 AM »
Quote from: fezzador on July 28, 2020, 08:22:19 AM
I'm also going to nominate another ND coach, Ty Willingham.  He had that one good season in South Bend,
Ya I bought into the hype about him coming from Stanford.Figured he'd recruit for ND really well.He's a case of the grass isn't always greener

And Brutas I don't think Hoke did that bad of a job.Rich Rod was another one who was practically worshipped at his alma mater but kinda did them dirty.Again thinking the grass was greener.......
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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2020, 08:56:52 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on July 28, 2020, 08:41:02 AM
He was in Cooper's catagory - in a prospect rich state's Flagship University.Held on to the position longer than his talent/direction warrented
It’s an interesting case with Richt. He had the second-best winning percentage in program history, behind only a guy who coached from 1920-22.

He’s an interesting case of close the best you got, but his presence doesn’t allow for the dream of something more. Maybe Kirby tips that, though his four-year winning percentage trails Richt’s.
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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2020, 09:09:39 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 28, 2020, 04:32:20 AM
Yes, it's a tough category - most bad HCs don't last and are lost to time.  So maybe HCs along the lines of Bobby Petrino or that GT guy who lied on this resume.....O'Something. 

Maybe ordinary HCs who bumbled and f-ed up their life. 
O’Leary went 52-33 at GT and 81-68 at UCF with five years of nine wins or more.

As you said, the issue is guys who get good jobs did well at small jobs. Guys who get very god jobs often did well at decent to good jobs (Rich Rod).

so the best bet is coordinators who jumped in (Weis) or guys with short first stints.

Darrell Hazel is a good one
Chris Ash
Stan Parrish 9-51-1 in six-plus years at K State, Ball State and three interim games at EMU.

Will Muschamp is an interesting one because he’s had two good seasons and another that was close to as good as you could expect in eight, with two bad and three blah. Florida should be better than it was, South Carolina, maybe a little. McElwain was modestly successful On average, though his personality let to a quick ouster when it went bad.

Edit: My fun fact was wrong because the spreadsheet was limited. I regret the error. 
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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2020, 09:16:06 AM »
Rich Rod was a bad fit at Michigan.  Gerry Faust at Notre Dame back in the early 80s was bad.  I believe Faust was a head high school coach before taking the job in South Bend. 

Cooper at Ohio State was great except for his record against Michigan.
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« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2020, 09:32:20 AM »
Cooper also had a poor record in Bowl Games.
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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2020, 09:48:47 AM »
Don Morton, University of Wisconsin, 1987-1989. 6-27 record.

3-8, 1-7, 10th place
1-10, 1-7, 10th place
2-9, 1-7, 9th place

John Coatta, University of Wisconsin, 1967-1969 (UW passed on Bo Schembechler to hire this clown). 3-26-1 record.

0-9-1, 0-6-1, T 9th place
0-10, 0-7, 10th
3-7, 3-4, T 5th




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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2020, 09:53:01 AM »
Quote from: Temp430 on July 28, 2020, 09:16:06 AM
Cooper at Ohio State was great except for his record against Michigan.
He had a problem when the rosters were even.His bowl record was almost as dismal as it was vs Michigan
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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2020, 10:24:22 AM »
Quote from: Temp430 on July 28, 2020, 09:16:06 AM
Rich Rod was a bad fit at Michigan.  Gerry Faust at Notre Dame back in the early 80s was bad.  I believe Faust was a head high school coach before taking the job in South Bend. 

Faust might be a good call.  

I don't believe a HC fails because they're a "bad fit."  Winning makes you a good fit.  If a guy can't get buy-in or his system requires a 3-8 season, then that's on him.  He's not that good in all aspects.  

Fit is just a gobbly-gook term, like "spiritual."
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« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2020, 10:24:40 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on July 28, 2020, 09:48:47 AM
Don Morton, University of Wisconsin, 1987-1989. 6-27 record.

3-8, 1-7, 10th place
1-10, 1-7, 10th place
2-9, 1-7, 9th place

John Coatta, University of Wisconsin, 1967-1969 (UW passed on Bo Schembechler to hire this clown). 3-26-1 record.

0-9-1, 0-6-1, T 9th place
0-10, 0-7, 10th
3-7, 3-4, T 5th





Yeah, no one's ever heard of these guys.  
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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2020, 10:29:23 AM »
RichRod wasn’t a bad coach imo, just a bad fit at Michigan. 

Brady Hoke on the other hand was just a bad coach. 
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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2020, 10:29:50 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on July 28, 2020, 09:48:47 AM
John Coatta, University of Wisconsin, 1967-1969 (UW passed on Bo Schembechler to hire this clown). 3-26-1 record.
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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2020, 10:41:54 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on July 28, 2020, 10:29:23 AM
RichRod wasn’t a bad coach imo, just a bad fit at Michigan.

Brady Hoke on the other hand was just a bad coach.
I can buy that for Hoke. He was unimpressive at Ball State of a while before landing a run of talent (Ball State is a terrible place to try to win). Managed a very quick turnaround at SD State, then seemed to solve many of Michigan's problems in Year one, before a weird cross fade of recruiting going up and success going down. 
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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2020, 10:54:40 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on July 28, 2020, 10:29:23 AM
RichRod wasn’t a bad coach imo, just a bad fit at Michigan.

Brady Hoke on the other hand was just a bad coach.

It's entirely possible to be a good head coach at the FCS or G5 level, but totally suck at a premier Power 5 school.  I think that best describes Hoke.

He's back at San Diego State.  I have no reason to believe he can't keep the program afloat.
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Re: Help - Notable Worst HCs
« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2020, 11:07:09 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 28, 2020, 10:24:40 AM
Yeah, no one's ever heard of these guys. 
Morton has some staying power in Wisconsin. People talk about him like OSU fans talk about Cooper, with that eye-rolling distain. Say "Veer" around older UW fans, they bitch about Don Morton. Say Don Morton "The stupid veer." 

Anywho, I pulled up lists of coaching records and scanned people with terrible records for names I knew or people who seemed interesting. A lot of assistants who bombed out. 
David Beaty
Norm Chow
Tom Cable
Jim Caldwell (belied by NFL success)
Mike DeBord
Bob Diaco
Jon Embree
Ron English
Turner Gill
Vic Koenning
Dave Kragthorpe
Mike Locksley
Chuck Long
Not yet, but eventually Scot Loeffler
Carl Pelini
Paul Petrino
Ted Roof
Greg Robinson
Kevin Steele
Lou Saban
Buddy Teevens
Don Treadwell
Everett Withers
Jim Wacker
Jennings Whitworth (went 22-27 at OkSU, got Bama, went 4-24-2, replaced by Bear)
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