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Topic: Helmet Teams -- who are they?

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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: Helmet Teams -- who are they?
« Reply #84 on: September 26, 2023, 07:41:50 PM »
Who is the strongest non-helmet Big Ten program? 

Likely between Wisconsin and Michigan State. 

Without deep diving into the stats, the "feel" is that Wisconsin is more consistent, whereas Michigan State has a higher ceiling/lower floor.

Wisconsin is usually good for 8-10 wins, maybe 11 on a phenomenal year, and no worse than 5 or 6 wins on a really bad year. 

Michigan State can rack up 11 wins and win/contend for a Big Ten Title on a good year, but then they'll have like a 3 or 4 win season.
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Re: Helmet Teams -- who are they?
« Reply #85 on: September 26, 2023, 07:50:00 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 17, 2023, 09:33:42 AM
Duke is a good extant example.  They are 3-0, with an excellent win, and were ranked 21 last week, might get to 18 or so this week.

FSU has a nice win, and close win over BC, and was ranked #3, might be 4-5 now.  More helmet.
That's not more helmet, that's preseason poll based on recent history.  Has nothing to do with helmet.  If you traded their 2022 records, Duke would be ranked highly and FSU barely ranked.  You know this.
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Re: Helmet Teams -- who are they?
« Reply #86 on: September 27, 2023, 07:56:42 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on September 26, 2023, 07:41:50 PM
Who is the strongest non-helmet Big Ten program?

Likely between Wisconsin and Michigan State.

Without deep diving into the stats, the "feel" is that Wisconsin is more consistent, whereas Michigan State has a higher ceiling/lower floor.

Wisconsin is usually good for 8-10 wins, maybe 11 on a phenomenal year, and no worse than 5 or 6 wins on a really bad year.

Michigan State can rack up 11 wins and win/contend for a Big Ten Title on a good year, but then they'll have like a 3 or 4 win season.
Wisconsin has not had a losing season since 2001, but they were 1-0 against Ohio State that season.
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Re: Helmet Teams -- who are they?
« Reply #87 on: September 27, 2023, 09:18:29 AM »
It would be interesting to rank teams this year SOLELY on this year, and not last year, or how good they were in 1996.

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Re: Helmet Teams -- who are they?
« Reply #88 on: September 27, 2023, 09:19:05 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 27, 2023, 09:18:29 AM
It would be interesting to rank teams this year SOLELY on this year, and not last year, or how good they were in 1996.



Never gonna happen.  But it's a lovely dream.
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Re: Helmet Teams -- who are they?
« Reply #89 on: September 27, 2023, 10:04:47 AM »
I think 4 or 5 year history might be helpful
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Re: Helmet Teams -- who are they?
« Reply #90 on: September 27, 2023, 10:12:01 AM »
I'm just curious what things would be, but of course, we wouldn't know the win by Duke over Clemson was an anything, so perhaps using the past five years is also necessary.  Otherwise it's just Ws and Ls.

The only reason UGA is at #1 is last year, and the year before, and some helmet.  I think were they coming over 10-3 seasons they be around 10.

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Re: Helmet Teams -- who are they?
« Reply #91 on: September 27, 2023, 07:03:09 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 27, 2023, 09:18:29 AM
It would be interesting to rank teams this year SOLELY on this year, and not last year, or how good they were in 1996.


There's plenty of those out there - resume-only rankings.  Here's one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKCt_TW-7yE

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Re: Helmet Teams -- who are they?
« Reply #92 on: September 27, 2023, 07:03:59 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 27, 2023, 10:12:01 AM
I'm just curious what things would be, but of course, we wouldn't know the win by Duke over Clemson was an anything, so perhaps using the past five years is also necessary.  Otherwise it's just Ws and Ls.

The only reason UGA is at #1 is last year, and the year before, and some helmet.  I think were they coming over 10-3 seasons they be around 10.


You're talking about a sport that has even given out Heisman trophies a year late...
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