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Topic: Helmet Teams -- who are they?

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Gigem

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Re: Helmet Teams -- who are they?
« Reply #56 on: September 11, 2023, 12:59:21 PM »
I'm not so sure Texas would still be the helmet school, because from about 1940-1970's they were pretty much the only flagship school in the state.  In the 60's A&M was basically equivalent to what the Citadel is today.  A small military feeder college that didn't admit women (IDK if the Citadel admits women now).  A&M was winning championships from the inception of the SWC all the way up to WWII, and in fact won the 2nd MNC (AP Poll) in 1939 just before WWII for the United States. Coincidentally TCU won the first.    

The War changed the CFB landscape, Army scooped up most of the best recruits, and A&M was hardly ever the same.  After the war most students and recruits wanted to forget war and all the things that go along with being in something like the Corps of Cadets.  

In the 50's we got kinda close with an all-time coach (Bear Bryant) but mamma called and we were a non-factor until the 70's.  In the 80's and 90's we won 9/10 from UT and a bunch of SWC championships.  

Given that we went from about 6K students in the early 70's to 70,000 students now do you think Texas would have the same huge head-start?  Hell, even with all those things working against us we're still a top 20 all time program, and I could easily see us sliding down to the low teens a-la LSU or Florida.  
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« Reply #57 on: September 11, 2023, 01:04:49 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on September 10, 2023, 06:39:22 PM
Michigan State really hurts Michigan greatly in this whole equation. Ohio State has had a major advantage of being the only game in town in-state and basically every Ohio kid that Ohio State wants....automatically just goes to Ohio State. There isn't another P5 in-state program to pick-off even 1 or 2 or 3 of those kids a year that OSU wants off. In the past, the few times those kids would get picked off- Michigan had been the one to do it. Michigan used to do it quite frequently actually, but OSU's complete domination of Lloyd Carr's final days all the way up until the last couple years before Harbaugh broke through has allowed them to put up a great wall around Ohio.

I think this was more true in the past than it is today.  With every team having TV exposure, travel being more affordable and accessible to players and families, scholly limitations, etc...and now NIL....I think it's changed enough to where the schools that keep kids home have to be given more credit for it than in years gone by.  

People always say the same thing about LSU you're saying about Ohio State.  No in-state rival, all state kids want to go there, etc.  We still lose a lot of kids to Alabama, A&M, and others.  I don't deny that there are still LA kids who grow up loving LSU and dreaming of playing there, but it's not like it used to be.  LSU works its butt off to keep the kids it keeps, and I suspect the same is true for Ohio State.  The hard work and deliberate effort factors in more than the sheer undeniable draw of the place for Ohio talent.  If they let up, I believe a significant number of those kids would go elsewhere.  Michigan, or hell....anywhere, almost....just isn't that far away in today's world.  
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Re: Helmet Teams -- who are they?
« Reply #58 on: September 11, 2023, 01:12:01 PM »
The major football HS's in Cincy are Catholic, and I think in the past their best players dreamed of going to ND, but I suspect that is less so today as well.
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Re: Helmet Teams -- who are they?
« Reply #59 on: September 11, 2023, 01:49:59 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 11, 2023, 01:12:01 PM
The major football HS's in Cincy are Catholic, and I think in the past their best players dreamed of going to ND, but I suspect that is less so today as well.
yeah, the best players used to be catholic at those catholic schools back in the day. today...well they are not.
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« Reply #60 on: September 11, 2023, 03:34:57 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 11, 2023, 01:12:01 PM
The major football HS's in Cincy are Catholic, and I think in the past their best players dreamed of going to ND, but I suspect that is less so today as well.
Yes, that is true. Not only did Ohio State have to deal with Michigan coming into Toledo and Cleveland with a lot of success, but ND pretty much had complete control of the Cincinnati recruiting scene. Even today, most people that live in and around Cincinnati are NOT Ohio State fans. 
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Re: Helmet Teams -- who are they?
« Reply #61 on: September 11, 2023, 04:10:43 PM »
It’s more a pro town 
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Re: Helmet Teams -- who are they?
« Reply #62 on: September 11, 2023, 04:19:04 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 11, 2023, 04:10:43 PM
It’s more a pro town
Yes it as as is Cleveland. All I am saying is that the college fans in Cincinnati are more likely UC or ND fans than Ohio State. Cleveland is more Ohio State than any other school, but that is secondary to their love of the Browns. 
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« Reply #63 on: September 11, 2023, 08:19:13 PM »
I dunno the pecker heads think we should pay billionaire jerks like Hasbeen to pay for his playgrounds - I hope the leave for good next time
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Re: Helmet Teams -- who are they?
« Reply #64 on: September 12, 2023, 08:39:24 AM »
Quote from: NorthernOhioBuckeye on September 11, 2023, 04:19:04 PM
Yes it as as is Cleveland. All I am saying is that the college fans in Cincinnati are more likely UC or ND fans than Ohio State. Cleveland is more Ohio State than any other school, but that is secondary to their love of the Browns.
Of the CFB fans I knew, most were Ohio State fans, by a good measure (in Cincy).  I'd note many of them were alums.  Two of my good friends are big OSU fans and one was an alum, they other went to Dayton.  Oddly my kids went to OSU and are apparently now Dawg fans.  One called me and woke me up when the Dawgs came back on OSU pretty excited.  I was a bit shocked, and sleepy.
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Re: Helmet Teams -- who are they?
« Reply #65 on: September 12, 2023, 08:50:39 PM »
There's a word for that.
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Re: Helmet Teams -- who are they?
« Reply #66 on: September 15, 2023, 02:25:02 PM »
Detroit is now the city with most NFL players...

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Re: Helmet Teams -- who are they?
« Reply #67 on: September 15, 2023, 06:38:18 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 12, 2023, 08:39:24 AM
Of the CFB fans I knew, most were Ohio State fans, by a good measure (in Cincy).  I'd note many of them were alums.  Two of my good friends are big OSU fans and one was an alum, they other went to Dayton.  Oddly my kids went to OSU and are apparently now Dawg fans.  One called me and woke me up when the Dawgs came back on OSU pretty excited.  I was a bit shocked, and sleepy.
In my 23 years in Cincinnati, I didn't notice most of the CFB fans being Ohio State. Seemed much more ND, UC and even UK. 
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« Reply #68 on: September 15, 2023, 09:56:09 PM »
5 FL cities in top 11.  
Duh.

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Re: Helmet Teams -- who are they?
« Reply #69 on: September 16, 2023, 08:50:40 AM »
Quote from: Riffraft on September 15, 2023, 06:38:18 PM
In my 23 years in Cincinnati, I didn't notice most of the CFB fans being Ohio State. Seemed much more ND, UC and even UK.
I may have known personally a nonrepresentative sample, most were coworkers with degrees from OSU.  I still hang with two of them (one coworker one not).  They are big OSU fans.  There were 6-7 other coworkers who were big fans, we'd chat CFB "over lunch".  We didn't hire many from Cincy or UK.  I do think it was mostly a Bengals/Reds fan base.
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