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847badgerfan

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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #336 on: August 09, 2017, 09:14:36 PM »

Yo.. Dood.


Get your CNN buddies to show up here. Dammit. We need more peeps.
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #337 on: August 09, 2017, 11:24:57 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 09, 2017, 11:47:44 AM
Apparently you can thug and cheat your way to helmet status in many views. I do not share this view, but that should be obvious based on my arguments.

hah, the canes are not the first thug U.

That might have been Princeton or Michigan or Harvard or Rutgers back one hundred years ago

probably the fisheaters from Notre Dame

all part of the history of college football

and part of the winning it takes to become a Helmet team
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #338 on: August 10, 2017, 09:41:10 AM »
Just kidding, I passed out super early yesterday.  New trio this evening.
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #339 on: August 10, 2017, 09:46:15 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 09, 2017, 05:57:25 PM
Miami's fame or infamy or whatever you want to call it, largely due to their actions and the ensuing media coverage shouldn't play into helmetosity, but it does.  If ND's NBC deal matters, then so does the Miami Thug Machine. 

They were newsworthy for winning and their crimes against humanity.  But party of that made them a name.  A recognizable helmet/logo/uniform.  An expectation.

All of it is tied into helmet.
I agree, I think it helps them.  I think them, plus Oregon with the Nike uniforms thing before everyone did that give them a mid-tier bump among clearly non-helmet teams.

But then Miami is docked points, because for as much as they won, they really aren't a national recruiting presence.  They have zero fan base.  Even with the deepest pool of backyard talent of any P5 program, nobody wants to coach there.
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #340 on: August 10, 2017, 10:56:47 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 09, 2017, 06:43:37 PM
I loved it when Thug U showed up in Tempe in full cammo and Penn State took them down.

If you've ever seen the 30/30 on 'The U' they only talk about this game sparingly, and obviously slanted towards Miami.  Many players on that team will tell you it was the worst loss of their entire careers, including Jimmy Johnson.  They'll also tell you they lost that game, not Penn State won it.

If you go back and watch it, it was a classic bend but don't break PSU win - they had MANY that year.  PSU never cared how many yards per game they gave up back then, they wanted to hit you and hit you hard. Ray Isom was a missile and physically pounded Miami's receivers all game.  They baited and baited Testaverde and it paid off, big time.  In some ways, it was a prelude to how Testaverde would play in the NFL - A gagillion yards, a whole lot of INT's, and not a lot of wins. 

Miami's defense was other wordly that night, I'll give that credit.  But PSU's defensive gameplan was executed perfect, and put them into position to take advantage of short fields when they had the chance. 
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #341 on: August 10, 2017, 11:43:52 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on August 09, 2017, 06:58:55 PM
Agree with you there, that was fun.  I also pulled heavily for Alabama against them in the 1993 Sugar Bowl.

it's been hard, but i finally found a reason to like you.  :)
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #342 on: August 10, 2017, 11:44:52 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 10, 2017, 09:41:10 AM
Just kidding, I passed out super early yesterday.  New trio this evening.

are we into the 3rd round of trios?
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #343 on: August 11, 2017, 02:21:30 PM »
Quote from: rolltidefan on August 10, 2017, 11:43:52 AM
it's been hard, but i finally found a reason to like you.  :)

Why, I oughtta....
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #344 on: August 11, 2017, 02:43:53 PM »
I am pondering, without any conclusion, how much the recent woes of ND, Texas, and USC - and perhaps Michigan and Penn State and Nebraska - have diluted their helmetosity.


Would our view of FSU and Miami be/have been different in 2000?


USC is still a helmet kind of team even if they have been "quiet" until last season, out of sight out of mind.


Notre Dame was 4-8 last year.  It's back to the debate about how much and how fast a team can move up or down.




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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #345 on: August 11, 2017, 03:11:13 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 11, 2017, 02:43:53 PM
I am pondering, without any conclusion, how much the recent woes of ND, Texas, and USC - and perhaps Michigan and Penn State and Nebraska - have diluted their helmetosity.


Would our view of FSU and Miami be/have been different in 2000?


USC is still a helmet kind of team even if they have been "quiet" until last season, out of sight out of mind.


Notre Dame was 4-8 last year.  It's back to the debate about how much and how fast a team can move up or down.





Nah, their extreme relevancy while being on the field irrelevant only strengthens their helmet argument.  Likewise Miami being relevant when good is a non-factor.  The fact that they a.) aren't relevant when down and b.) can't stay good despite their local talent or attract a big time coach makes them not a helmet at all for me.
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #346 on: August 11, 2017, 06:47:08 PM »
Quote from: rolltidefan on August 10, 2017, 11:44:52 AM
are we into the 3rd round of trios?

Yes
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #347 on: August 11, 2017, 06:49:58 PM »
Next trio:

Florida, Pitt, Wisconsin
« Last Edit: August 11, 2017, 06:52:08 PM by OrangeAfroMan »
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #348 on: August 11, 2017, 06:58:03 PM »
Results:

37  Miami (11-0-4)
34  Washington (4-11-0)
19  Iowa  (0-4-11)

There were only 2 different ballots cast:
Miami-Washington-Iowa AND Washington-Iowa-Miami.  Weird.
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #349 on: August 11, 2017, 07:47:25 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 11, 2017, 06:58:03 PM
Results:

37  Miami (11-0-4)
34  Washington (4-11-0)
19  Iowa  (0-4-11)

There were only 2 different ballots cast:
Miami-Washington-Iowa AND Washington-Iowa-Miami.  Weird.

Interesting. I still  honestly think the Miami third place votes are more a product of not liking them which screams helmet to me.



Moving on.

Florida
Wisconsin
Pitt

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