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ELA

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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #322 on: August 08, 2017, 07:54:03 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 07, 2017, 10:01:09 PM
If Miami ever hired an actual big-time coach, it'd be the late 80s all over again.  And they only sellout when playing FSU or Florida.
So any big time coach could win big time at Miami, yet they can't find one who wants to?  And people are arguing UP their helmet status?
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #323 on: August 08, 2017, 08:37:54 AM »
Miami
Washington
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #324 on: August 08, 2017, 12:59:34 PM »
coaching hires can be a decent measure, but can also be faulty.

aTm stole a coach from bama. one that bama wanted to keep and was doing seemingly good job. anyone wanna argue aTm over bama?

petersen told usc no/wash yes for some very personal reasons from what i've heard/read.

and there are a ton of schools that if they had the right coach, blah blah blah, but can't find him. nd, anyone? nebraska? tennessee is in that right now. texas if this one doesn't work out. bama was for about 15 years before saban. usc looks like they might be coming out of that, but suggest this last year and everyone laughs at you. looking for the right coach doesn't mean you aren't helmet.
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #325 on: August 09, 2017, 07:40:37 AM »
Quote from: rolltidefan on August 08, 2017, 12:59:34 PM
coaching hires can be a decent measure, but can also be faulty.

aTm stole a coach from bama. one that bama wanted to keep and was doing seemingly good job. anyone wanna argue aTm over bama?

petersen told usc no/wash yes for some very personal reasons from what i've heard/read.

and there are a ton of schools that if they had the right coach, blah blah blah, but can't find him. nd, anyone? nebraska? tennessee is in that right now. texas if this one doesn't work out. bama was for about 15 years before saban. usc looks like they might be coming out of that, but suggest this last year and everyone laughs at you. looking for the right coach doesn't mean you aren't helmet.
Quote from: Huskerfan_12 on August 08, 2017, 08:37:54 AM
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Iowa

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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #326 on: August 09, 2017, 10:05:07 AM »
Quote from: rolltidefan on August 08, 2017, 12:59:34 PM
coaching hires can be a decent measure, but can also be faulty. 

This is very true, but it's just another measure and every measure we use for this thing could be deemed faulty - much like considering an assload of wins before WWII.

Right?
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #327 on: August 09, 2017, 10:30:39 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 09, 2017, 10:05:07 AM
This is very true, but it's just another measure and every measure we use for this thing could be deemed faulty - much like considering an assload of wins before WWII.

Right?

yes but you seem to be putting extreme significance on that one part.
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #328 on: August 09, 2017, 10:50:36 AM »

Not really. I was trying to make a point. And then those who argue that wins before WWII try to make their point.


And then what do you do with Miami and others who came to prominence so "late" in the game??


Iowa joined the Western Conference in 1899. Washington is a charter member of the PAC-12. That is relevant in this discussion.


Miami is a founding member of thuggery and brashness. It's been on probation after every run of success its ever had, yet it is being discussed as a helmet school in this thread.


All because it's been in the news for all the wrong reasons and is universally despised by almost every college football fan aside from its own 378 fans?
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #329 on: August 09, 2017, 11:37:54 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 09, 2017, 10:50:36 AM
All because it's been in the news for all the wrong reasons and is universally despised by almost every college football fan aside from its own 378 fans?
As to this, the first part actually strengthens its helmet argument, but the second part is a big detraction.

We've discussed the massive fan bases all of these helmet schools have as part of their power.  Miami has one of the worst/smallest.
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #330 on: August 09, 2017, 11:47:44 AM »

That's what I'm saying.


Apparently you can thug and cheat your way to helmet status in many views. I do not share this view, but that should be obvious based on my arguments.
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #331 on: August 09, 2017, 05:57:25 PM »
Miami's fame or infamy or whatever you want to call it, largely due to their actions and the ensuing media coverage shouldn't play into helmetosity, but it does.  If ND's NBC deal matters, then so does the Miami Thug Machine. 

They were newsworthy for winning and their crimes against humanity.  But party of that made them a name.  A recognizable helmet/logo/uniform.  An expectation.

All of it is tied into helmet.
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #332 on: August 09, 2017, 05:57:48 PM »
Last call for this trio, I'll post a new one tonight.
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« Reply #333 on: August 09, 2017, 06:43:37 PM »
I loved it when Thug U showed up in Tempe in full cammo and Penn State took them down.
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« Reply #334 on: August 09, 2017, 06:56:00 PM »

Ya know how the Miami guys get on the NFL introductions and they always say "The U" when they reference where they were manufactured as football players?


They are really saying "Thug U". It just sounds close.


Just thought I'd clear that up for everyone.
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #335 on: August 09, 2017, 06:58:55 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 09, 2017, 06:43:37 PM
I loved it when Thug U showed up in Tempe in full cammo and Penn State took them down.

Agree with you there, that was fun.  I also pulled heavily for Alabama against them in the 1993 Sugar Bowl.
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