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Recency bias certainly matters once you get outside that top 10.

which means they aren't helmets.

on a side note, it's starting to sound like we're arguing 'program strength' versus 'name recognition', whihc is what most of helmet is.

i'm willing to bet msu comes in a good bit higher on that scale than wvu. might have something to do with them being in b1g, or their rivals (mich/nd/osu vs vatech/maryland/pitt), or history, or whatever. but it's there.

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Testify CD Testify

The total pool of schools was around 30, so no, all of them are not "helmet schools".  But we're building a hierarchy of these 30 and once that's in place, then we can determine the cutoff between 'helmet' and not. 

These were the last 3 of the group of schools who have a first and second-place finish through the first 2 rounds of our little exercise.

http://collegefootballnews.com/2017/08/usa-today-coaches-poll-college-football-rankings-greatest-programs-all-time

USA Today Coaches Poll/UPI Final Rankings Greatest Teams Of All-Time

1 Oklahoma 927 Big 12

2 Ohio State 916 Big Ten

3 Alabama 895 SEC

4 Michigan 764 Big Ten

5 Nebraska 736 Big Ten

6 USC 715 Pac-12

7 Texas 691 Big 12

8 Penn State 671 Big Ten

9 Notre Dame 654 Ind

10 Florida State 617 ACC

11 Tennessee 551 SEC

12 Miami 504 ACC

13 LSU 499 SEC

14 Georgia 487 SEC

15 Auburn 480 SEC

16 UCLA 475 Pac-12

17 Florida 464 SEC

18 Arkansas 428 SEC

19 Michigan State 426 Big Ten

20 Wisconsin 367 Big Ten

21 Iowa 320 Big Ten

22 Ole Miss 319 SEC

23 Washington 304 Pac-12

24 Clemson 290 ACC

25 Texas A&M 283 SEC

Others Receiving Votes
26 Georgia Tech 269 ACC
27 Colorado 268 Pac-12
28 Arizona State 251 Pac-12
29 Oregon 245 Pac-12
29 Stanford 245 Pac-12
31 Syracuse 240 ACC
32 Pittsburgh 238 ACC
33 TCU 237 Big 12
34 Virginia Tech 234 ACC
35 Missouri 228 SEC
36 Maryland 214 Big Ten
37 Purdue 212 Big Ten
38 BYU 208 Ind
39 West Virginia 196 Big 12
40 Baylor 189 Big 12
41 Kansas State 187 Big 12
42 Houston 180 American
43 Illinois 169 Big Ten
44 North Carolina 164 ACC
45 Oklahoma State 158 Big 12
46 Boise State 154 MW
47 Navy 133 American
48 Minnesota 122 Big Ten
49 Oregon State 118 Pac-12
50 Louisville 113 ACC
51 Washington State 111 Pac-12
52 Texas Tech 110 Big 12
52 Utah 110 Pac-12
53 California 109 Pac-12
54 SMU 107 American
55 South Carolina 105 SEC
56 Kansas 103 Big 12
57 Army 99 Ind
57 Duke 99 ACC
59 Boston College 97 ACC
60 NC State 92 ACC
61 Arizona 91 Pac-12
62 Air Force 84 MW
63 Wyoming 81 MW
64 Mississippi State 77 SEC
65 Northwestern 72 Big Ten
66 Kentucky 67 SEC
67 Virginia 65 ACC
68 Princeton 63 Ivy
69 Miami Univ. 55 MAC
70 Rice 46 C-USA
71 Indiana 43 Big Ten
72 Cincinnati 41 American
73 Southern Miss 34 C-USA
74 Colorado State 33 MW
75 Marshall 32 C-USA
75 Utah State 32 MW
77 Tulane 30 American
77 Tulsa 30 American
79 Rutgers 29 Big Ten
79 San Diego State 29 MW
81 Toledo 28 MAC
82 East Carolina 20 American
82 Iowa State 20 Big 12
82 UCF 20 American
85 Fresno State 18 MW
85 Hawaii 18 MW
85 Louisiana 18 Sun Belt
88 Yale 17 Ivy
89 Dartmouth 13 Ivy
89 Memphis 13 American
89 Nevada 13 MW
92 San Francisco 12 D-II
93 San Jose State 11 MW
94 New Mexico 10 MW
94 North Texas 10 C-USA
96 Holy Cross 9 Patriot
96 Temple 9 American
96 Vanderbilt 9 SEC
96 Wake Forest 9 ACC
100 Denver 8 CAA
100 Western Michigan 8 MAC
100 Ohio 8 MAC
100 Washington & Lee 8 ODAC
104 South Florida 7 AAC
104 New Mexico State 7 Sun Belt
106 Cornell 6 Ivy
107 Bowling Green 3 MAC
108 Central Michigan 2 MAC
108 Northern Illinois 2 MAC

Results:

48  Alabama
31  Michigan State
17  West Virginia

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This one might be the hardest one yet