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Cincydawg · « **Reply #98 on:** June 17, 2024, 08:30:13 AM »

What did Fauci say early on that he knew was untrue?

I don't really get all the angst thrown at Fauci.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #99 on:** June 17, 2024, 08:32:08 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on June 17, 2024, 08:30:13 AM

What did Fauci say early on that he knew was untrue?

I don't really get all the angst thrown at Fauci.

He told everyone that it was from a wet market and that there was no way it came from a lab that he claimed he didn't fund.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #100 on:** June 17, 2024, 08:35:37 AM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 17, 2024, 08:32:08 AM

He told everyone that it was from a wet market and that there was no way it came from a lab that he claimed he didn't fund.

He literally said that? What was the specific quote? I don't recall his saying that.

Either way, early on, its origins were just something of interest, not something critical. I know the early speculation was it originated in the wet market, which is still a viable hypothesis in my view. I don't recall ANYONE claiming it could not possibly be from the lab.

It doesn't strike me as a big deal enough to hate on the guy even if he claimed it, which I don't recall.

Here’s What Dr. Fauci Has Said About Covid’s Origins And The Lab Leak Theory (forbes.com)

847badgerfan · « **Reply #101 on:** June 17, 2024, 08:51:21 AM »

Here’s What Dr. Fauci Has Said About Covid’s Origins And The Lab Leak Theory (forbes.com)

Cincydawg · « **Reply #102 on:** June 17, 2024, 08:53:34 AM »

Navarro Falsely Links Fauci to Pandemic Origin - FactCheck.org

847badgerfan · « **Reply #103 on:** June 17, 2024, 09:06:13 AM »

Did you not read the link I provided?

Fact-check websites run cover for people all the time.

I check my own facts.

Just type in "Fauci Wet Market" into your Google search. You will find the truth within countless sources.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #104 on:** June 17, 2024, 09:12:43 AM »

I just dsagree, and I did look at different sites and cites. Fauci has been accused of a lot of things for political gain by others, most of which in my view, he never did, or said.

I don't have any particular beef with Fauci.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #105 on:** June 17, 2024, 09:21:07 AM »

I do not like liars. Fauci was a very highly paid liar, and he damaged much of this country badly with his "guidance". The Obama administration shut down gain-of-function research and Fauci re-started it 3 years later. He still continues to lie about it.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #106 on:** June 17, 2024, 10:06:43 AM »

What specifically was Fauci's "guidance" that Trump followed?

I still don't see him as a bad actor in this story. When I "fact check", I look for direct quotes and then seek context, if any. If he lied, with intent, one should be able to quote his lie.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #107 on:** June 17, 2024, 10:18:58 AM »

Lying is always an intent. You can't lie by accident. That would be called a mistake.

What guidance was followed? The administration followed all of it, except for the travel ban to/from China - which Saint Fauci openly opposed (gee, I wonder why?).

45 criticized Kemp, DeSantis and others for opening up too early. Tennessee was open in April 2020, even before Georgia and Florida. We ate dinner inside a restaurant in Clarksville, no masks or distancing (which also turned out to be bullshit).

Never mind the foolish comments about bleach or whatever other stuff he shot from the hip. He followed the guidance until the guidance began to prove itself to be mostly nonsense.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #108 on:** June 17, 2024, 10:27:53 AM »

I'd fault Trump for following poor guidance. I don't think it was poor guidance at the time, it made sense to me, given what was known.

There were a lot of "experts" giving guidance, probably with a lot of variation. And to me, it isn't lying. It's a legitimate best estimate or guess as to what we should attempt.

I personally thought Kemp reopened Georgia too early. It turned out to be a nonfactor, places reopened at their own pace. But at the time, it seemed too early to me.

I still don't fault Fauci for being some bad actor in this. I tried to read a good bit about what he said and recommended, and it looks sound, to me, at the time.

But he has become a political lightning rod.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #109 on:** June 17, 2024, 10:32:25 AM »

It has nothing to do with politics in my mind. Anyone who championed damage to the country during and after that time, and still today, is in my crosshairs. Most just happen to be from the left. Teacher unions. Grr...

847badgerfan · « **Reply #110 on:** June 19, 2024, 08:28:15 AM »

This is a great read.

The Real Covid Failure - WSJ

Free link:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-real-covid-failure-fauci-ef8487a3?st=uf7dtadmbb3fyuk&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-real-covid-failure-fauci-ef8487a3?st=uf7dtadmbb3fyuk&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

Cincydawg · « **Reply #111 on:** June 19, 2024, 08:36:42 AM »

Did coronavirus come from a lab? | New Scientist

Researchers led by Shan-Lu Liu at the Ohio State University say there is “no credible evidence” of genetic engineering (Emerging Microbes & Infections, doi.org/dpvw). The virus’s genome has been sequenced, and if it had been altered, we would expect to see signs of inserted gene sequences. But we now know the points that differ from bat viruses are scattered in a fairly random way, just as they would be if the new virus had evolved naturally.
Proponents of the lab-leak hypothesis can point to some arcane details of the virus’s molecular biology. For example, the virus has a “furin cleavage site”, a part of the spike protein that helps it to break into host cells. Many coronaviruses have this tool, but SARS-CoV-2 is the only member of the sub-genus Sarbecovirus to have one.
Another region of the spike protein, the “receptor binding motif”, appears to be oddly adapted to latch on to human cells. This adaptation was also observed in the original SARS virus, SARS-CoV-1, which caused outbreaks in 2003, but only long after it had jumped to humans. The Wuhan strain of SARS-CoV-2 had it from the get-go, as if it were “pre-adapted” to humans.
But these features aren’t a smoking gun – they can all be observed in “natural” viruses, so aren’t persuasive evidence that the virus has been engineered by people.
Read more: Did covid-19 come from a lab or an animal? This is how we’ll find

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