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Topic: Have you tested positive for COVID-19?

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Re: Have you tested positive for COVID-19?
« Reply #56 on: April 24, 2024, 04:37:27 PM »
So two+ years later, I am viewing the survey results on a thread I started. I cannot believe how few of us on here tested + for COVID. I had it 3x, (only 1x or 2x when I posted).
As a group we are either very resilient, or COVID nontesters.
I haven't had COVID now for way over one-year. It's fading from memory.
I honestly think the first time I have ever had it was Jan 2024, and that was confirmed by testing... So my vote would have changed now compared to Jan 2022. 

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Re: Have you tested positive for COVID-19?
« Reply #57 on: April 24, 2024, 05:05:21 PM »
I know I had it in June 2022.  I tested positive for it.  It's possible I had it other times and was asymptomatic or thought it was allergies.

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« Reply #58 on: April 30, 2024, 08:42:49 AM »
SHANGHAI (AP) — The first scientist to publish a sequence of the COVID-19 virus in China staged a sit-in protest outside his lab after authorities locked him out of the facility — a sign of the Beijing’s continuing pressure on scientists conducting research on the coronavirus.

Zhang Yongzhen wrote in an online post Monday that he and his team had been suddenly notified they were being evicted from their lab, the latest in a series of setbacks, demotions and ousters since the virologist published the sequence in January 2020 without state approval.

When Zhang tried to go to the lab over the weekend, guards barred him from entering. In protest, he sat outside on flattened cardboard in drizzling rain, pictures from the scene posted online show. News of the protest spread widely on Chinese social media and Zhang told a colleague he slept outside the lab — but it was not clear Tuesday if he remained there.

“I won’t leave, I won’t quit, I am pursuing science and the truth!” he wrote in a post on Chinese social media platform Weibo that was later deleted.

In an online statement, the Shanghai Public Health Clinical Center said that Zhang’s lab was being renovated and was closed for “safety reasons.” It added that it had provided Zhang’s team an alternative laboratory space.
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Re: Have you tested positive for COVID-19?
« Reply #59 on: June 14, 2024, 12:58:01 PM »
This is from the NYT today, just if interested:

The case for natural transmission
1. It’s the norm.
Covid is part of the coronavirus family, so named because the virus contains a protein shaped like a spike. (Corona is the Latin word for crown.) In recent decades, the main way that coronaviruses have infected people is through animal-to-human transmission, which is also known as natural transmission.
The SARS virus, for example, appears to have jumped from civet cats, a relative of the mongoose, to humans in Asia in 2002. MERS seems to have jumped from camels to people in the Middle East around 2012. There is no previous example of a major coronavirus escaping a lab.
When you’re trying to choose between a historically common explanation for a phenomenon and an unusual explanation, the common one is usually the better bet.
2. Look around the market.
Two scientific papers have pointed out that a suspiciously large number of early confirmed Covid cases had connections to the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan. Many of these cases, in late 2019, occurred in people who lived near the market. This map comes from a Times story about the research:
[img width=498 height=643.391 alt=Red dots on a map show the locations of Covid cases in December 2019. Higher concentration of cases are close to the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market.]https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/meips/ADKq_NZXKIsOwfntyjor-nVimYCzHURr3iCXgRmrE8HLZ3ebAXdAc-iG96ra9f_1W_RWou402Y1X5Qlg5LyffyHBMkvcDLClCQvuLwJ8vuL052Lu64sP70PkJwTS2xcuxG9LS4KNjymtr9MWn6T4zPKh0IYhk-7Sd-uK1Jdmq7JiDT4WfQ=s0-d-e1-ft#https://static01.nyt.com/images/2024/06/13/briefing/oakImage-1718309482874/oakImage-1718309482874-jumbo.png[/img][/size][/color]
Source: Michael Worobey et al., preprint via Zenodo | By The New York Times
Importantly, the market also sold live animals, including raccoon dogs, that scientists previously found to be susceptible to coronaviruses.
3. Look inside the market.
Shortly after Covid began spreading, Chinese scientists swabbed walls, floors and other surfaces inside the Huanan market for the virus. They found a cluster of positive samples in the market’s southwest corner, where 10 stalls sold live animals.
“Strikingly, five of the samples came from a single stall,” my colleagues Carl Zimmer and Benjamin Mueller wrote. That stall appears to have had a history of selling raccoon dogs.


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Re: Have you tested positive for COVID-19?
« Reply #60 on: June 14, 2024, 12:58:25 PM »
The case for a lab leak
1. Follow the lab.
If historical logic points to natural transmission, a different concept arguably points to a lab leak: Occam’s razor. It’s a philosophical principle holding that the simplest explanation for a phenomenon is usually the correct one. In this case, a new SARS-like virus started in a city with one of the world’s leading labs for researching SARS-like viruses. Many Chinese cities have markets selling live animals; only one is home to the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
The Wuhan lab maintained “one of the world’s largest repositories of bat samples, which has enabled its coronavirus research,” U.S. intelligence officials have written. Before the pandemic, the lab’s scientists traveled to faraway caves to collect virus samples. And bats, like raccoon dogs, can carry coronaviruses.
One possibility is that a virus that would otherwise have remained in the caves infected a lab employee. Another possibility is that scientists in Wuhan engineered a contagious new virus while researching cures and that the virus accidentally escaped.
Notably, there is no evidence of any infected animals, dead or alive, from the Huanan market. Consider this table, from Chan’s Opinion essay:
[img width=498 height=397.391 alt=A table shows five pieces of evidence that scientists were able to use to demonstrate natural origin of previous coronavirus outbreaks like SARS in 2002 and MERS in 2012. These pieces of evidence — including infected animals found, ancestral variants of the virus found in animals and earliest known cases exposed to live animals — are still missing for Covid-19.]https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/meips/ADKq_NZ2MaEdOnsKAP7pZzSbwb4Lvi1Zd-u4PC5sSkPdSVUvJIF3RBanBV0UT3PX9fp5wqf8FnwOMd5qBk0OjZv5lJ9BbgvjyosWOMhGOoulEdYxJ2PoYBTQ003y6gxfWQ4MmGD_o5gObIsRC8YkqpnZXVfgiBeaHDlOgprflUZxsGsUWA=s0-d-e1-ft#https://static01.nyt.com/images/2024/06/13/briefing/oakImage-1718309153364/oakImage-1718309153364-jumbo.png[/img][/size][/color]
By The New York Times
2. Leaks happen.
In recent decades, reports suggests that laboratory employees working on a variety of diseases have been accidentally infected in the United States, Britain, China, Germany, Russia, South Korea and elsewhere.
Even before the pandemic, the Wuhan lab seemed to present a safety risk. When one outside expert heard that the lab planned to research coronaviruses without using state-of-the-art precautions, he wrote in 2018 that “U.S. researchers will likely freak out.”
3. China controls the evidence.
It’s worth asking which of the two stories China would rather the world believe. Either would be damaging, but a lab leak seems significantly more so. It would mean that China’s scientific incompetence killed millions of people — which could explain why Chinese officials have worked so hard to restrict outside research and scrutiny about the virus’s origins.
The bottom line
Do you find both explanations plausible? I do.


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Re: Have you tested positive for COVID-19?
« Reply #61 on: June 14, 2024, 01:01:03 PM »
I think there is a third possibility, pretty speculative. 

The Wuhan lab asked animal catchers to deliver some bats from some cave rather distant, and they did.  The bats were infected prior to capture with the zoonotic COVID 19, the catchers became ill and spread the disease.

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Re: Have you tested positive for COVID-19?
« Reply #62 on: June 14, 2024, 01:14:21 PM »
Lab.
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Re: Have you tested positive for COVID-19?
« Reply #63 on: June 14, 2024, 01:19:26 PM »
Intentionally lab-created, synthesized, and distributed as a bio weapon.

Maybe.

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Re: Have you tested positive for COVID-19?
« Reply #64 on: June 14, 2024, 01:28:16 PM »
Tested positive in February 2023 while at a sales conference in New Orleans.  That’s the only time.  Tested at home many times.

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« Reply #65 on: June 14, 2024, 01:31:33 PM »
Intentionally lab-created, synthesized, and distributed as a bio weapon.

Maybe.
Yes.
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« Reply #66 on: June 14, 2024, 01:54:12 PM »
Tested positive in February 2023 while at a sales conference in New Orleans.  That’s the only time.  Tested at home many times.
How sick did you feel?  What were your symptoms?

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« Reply #67 on: June 14, 2024, 04:38:40 PM »
The common raccoon dog, also called the Chinese or Asian raccoon dog to distinguish it from the Japanese raccoon dog, is a small, heavy-set, fox-like canid native to East Asia. Named for its raccoon-like face markings, it is most closely related to foxes



For those who don’t have the stomach to watch this kind of video, here is a description of the scenes. The investigation reveals that before the raccoon dogs are skinned alive, they are thrown to the ground with a forceful blow to the head and then bludgeoned with metal rods in attempt to stun the animal. More often than not, the animal’s bones are broken and they are temporarily stunned rather than dead. Many animals are still alive and struggling desperately when workers flip them onto their backs or hang them up by their legs or tails to skin them. The video shows workers on these farms cutting the skin and fur from an animal’s leg while the free limbs kick and writhe. When the fur is finally peeled off over the animals’ heads, their naked, bloody bodies are thrown onto a pile. Reports indicate that some of the animals are still alive, hearts beating for as long as 10 minutes after they are skinned. One investigator recorded a skinned raccoon dog on the heap of carcasses who had enough strength to lift his bloodied head and stare into the camera.

Prior to their unimaginably painful death, the animals live in the cruelest of conditions as they pace and shiver in outdoor wire cages, exposed to all of the elements—rain, freezing nights, or scorching sun. Not surprisingly, injury and disease are commonplace. Anxiety-induced psychosis leads to self-mutilation, infanticide and other extreme, desperate behaviors.

The Swiss Animal Protection / East-International 2007 report, Dying for Fur—A Report on the Fur Industry in China, informs us that “there are no regulations governing fur farms in China—farmers can house and slaughter animals however they see fit.” Two of the most important laws covering animals in China—the Environment Protection Law and the Wildlife Protection Law—only protect wildlife in the wild. Wild animals in captivity are treated as mere property, resources, or objects. China is one of the few countries in the world without any legal provisions for animal welfare and furthermore, there are no acts banning cruelty in the Chinese legal system.

Based on a survey of U.S. retail outlets many of the mass-marketed fur-trimmed garments carry the “Made in China” label. However, with our globalized market, China-originated fur pelts are disbursed through international auctions prior to being sewn in other countries. Therefore, the final fur product label could read “Made in Italy” or “Made in France,” making it impossible for consumers to know where the fur originates. Furthermore, manufacturing techniques such as dying often deceive shoppers into thinking they are buying fake fur.

Compounding this issue is the fact that Chinese fur farms deal not only in minks, foxes, and raccoon dogs, but domestic cats and dogs as well (some with their companion collars still affixed). The fur’s original species is indistinguishable to the typical end user. All the more reason to be relentless with the message to all who will listen that fur—even if it is “fake”—is a frivolous, unnecessary, and irresponsible purchase that supports animal cruelty in its worst form.
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« Reply #68 on: June 14, 2024, 06:23:54 PM »
Raccoon dog is good eatin'!

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« Reply #69 on: June 14, 2024, 10:38:09 PM »
(Reuters) - At the height of the COVID-19 pandemic, the U.S. military launched a secret campaign to counter what it perceived as China’s growing influence in the Philippines, a nation hit especially hard by the deadly virus.

The clandestine operation has not been previously reported. It aimed to sow doubt about the safety and efficacy of vaccines and other life-saving aid that was being supplied by China, a Reuters investigation found. Through phony internet accounts meant to impersonate Filipinos, the military’s propaganda efforts morphed into an anti-vax campaign. Social media posts decried the quality of face masks, test kits and the first vaccine that would become available in the Philippines – China’s Sinovac inoculation.


Reuters identified at least 300 accounts on X, formerly Twitter, that matched descriptions shared by former U.S. military officials familiar with the Philippines operation. Almost all were created in the summer of 2020 and centered on the slogan #Chinaangvirus – Tagalog for China is the virus.

“COVID came from China and the VACCINE also came from China, don’t trust China!” one typical tweet from July 2020 read in Tagalog. The words were next to a photo of a syringe beside a Chinese flag and a soaring chart of infections. Another post read: “From China – PPE, Face Mask, Vaccine: FAKE. But the Coronavirus is real.”

After Reuters asked X about the accounts, the social media company removed the profiles, determining they were part of a coordinated bot campaign based on activity patterns and internal data.


The U.S. military’s anti-vax effort began in the spring of 2020 and expanded beyond Southeast Asia before it was terminated in mid-2021, Reuters determined. Tailoring the propaganda campaign to local audiences across Central Asia and the Middle East, the Pentagon used a combination of fake social media accounts on multiple platforms to spread fear of China’s vaccines among Muslims at a time when the virus was killing tens of thousands of people each day. A key part of the strategy: amplify the disputed contention that, because vaccines sometimes contain pork gelatin, China’s shots could be considered forbidden under Islamic law.

The military program started under former President Donald Trump and continued months into Joe Biden’s presidency, Reuters found – even after alarmed social media executives warned the new administration that the Pentagon had been trafficking in COVID misinformation. The Biden White House issued an edict in spring 2021 banning the anti-vax effort, which also disparaged vaccines produced by other rivals, and the Pentagon initiated an internal review, Reuters found.


The U.S. military is prohibited from targeting Americans with propaganda, and Reuters found no evidence the Pentagon’s influence operation did so.

Spokespeople for Trump and Biden did not respond to requests for comment about the clandestine program.

A senior Defense Department official acknowledged the U.S. military engaged in secret propaganda to disparage China’s vaccine in the developing world, but the official declined to provide details.

A Pentagon spokeswoman said the U.S. military “uses a variety of platforms, including social media, to counter those malign influence attacks aimed at the U.S., allies, and partners.” She also noted that China had started a “disinformation campaign to falsely blame the United States for the spread of COVID-19.”

In an email, the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs said that it has long maintained the U.S. government manipulates social media and spreads misinformation.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pentagon-ran-secret-anti-vax-campaign-to-undermine-china-during-pandemic/ar-BB1oeXxQ?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=cbd9a62b31b842aaa25ac62e3736356c&ei=32
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