header pic

Perhaps the BEST B1G Forum anywhere, here at College Football Fan Site, CFB51!!!

The 'Old' CFN/Scout Crowd- Enjoy Civil discussion, game analytics, in depth player and coaching 'takes' and discussing topics surrounding the game. You can even have your own free board, all you have to do is ask!!!

Anyone is welcomed and encouraged to join our FREE site and to take part in our community- a community with you- the user, the fan, -and the person- will be protected from intrusive actions and with a clean place to interact.


Author

Topic: Have you tested positive for COVID-19?

 (Read 15252 times)

OrangeAfroMan

  • Stats Porn
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 21788
  • Liked:
Re: Have you tested positive for COVID-19?
« Reply #154 on: June 20, 2024, 02:51:07 PM »
Well, there you have it folks, I'm not sure what "it" is here, something about choices in ground beef fat content.  Or something.


A straw man argument is a distorted (and weaker) version of another person's argument that can easily be refuted (e.g., when a teacher proposes that the class spend more time on math exercises, a parent complains that the teacher doesn't care about reading and writing).
I'm not sure what a weaker version of your points would even be.  They're weak all on their own.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

OrangeAfroMan

  • Stats Porn
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 21788
  • Liked:
Re: Have you tested positive for COVID-19?
« Reply #155 on: June 20, 2024, 02:56:28 PM »
"We were too cautious" means one thing: we prioritized one important thing too much to the exclusion of other important things. There's harm in that.

The problem with only counting the body count is that you can justify almost anything without someone arguing against you. "The risk to kids is low and we think in-school instruction is critically important for their development, so schools should reopen." "SO YOU WANT DEAD KIDS/TEACHERS/RELATIVES, DO YOU?!?! YOU MONSTER!"

That's what this debate became. THAT'S what we're arguing against.
Maybe that's what radical people would say. 
But it's more like "we have data that says children aren't too harmed by this virus, now let's study if they're contagious carriers" OR "we have data that says children aren't too harmed, but let's see if this holds true for another 3 months or 5 months or 8 months"

Or the simple "this largely doesn't harm children much, so how many deaths is acceptable?  5?  500?  5000?"

Again, the fact that we were too cautious during so much uncertainty getting such blow-back is kind of amazing to me.

Also, I think people forget that the online teaching/learning was basically done overnight.  No time to plan it out or test-run anything.  Everyone involved did their best.  If it was ineffective, perhaps plans should be in place for the next time....and there will be a next time.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

OrangeAfroMan

  • Stats Porn
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 21788
  • Liked:
Re: Have you tested positive for COVID-19?
« Reply #156 on: June 20, 2024, 02:59:12 PM »

May 2018The Trump Administration disbands the White House pandemic response team.
July 2019The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) epidemiologist embedded in China’s disease control agency left the post, and the Trump Administration eliminated the role.
Oct. 2019“Currently, there are insufficient funding sources designated for the federal government to use in response to a severe influenza pandemic.”


Also, this.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 31141
  • Liked:
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

Cincydawg

  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 82851
  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Liked:
Re: Have you tested positive for COVID-19?
« Reply #158 on: June 21, 2024, 09:05:23 AM »
“The smear campaign soon boiled over into conspiracy theories,” the former National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) chief and ex-White House chief medical adviser claims. “One of the most appalling examples of this was the allegation, without a shred of evidence, that an NIAID grant to the EcoHealth Alliance (EHA) with a subgrant to the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) in China funded research that caused the COVID pandemic.”

“At a May 11 [2021] Senate HELP Committee hearing, Senator Rand Paul fed the conspiracy theory, which he amped up further at the subsequent HELP hearing on July 20,” he goes on. “I was shocked and incensed by this totally inappropriate accusation.”



I'm not seeing where he termed the lab leak theory a "conspiracy theory".  It seems to me he's referring to NIAID grant stuff.  The "conspiracy theory", I think, is that Fauci is the one responsible for COVID being created and then leaked.  The term "gain of function" is not universally used and clear cut.  Different folks define it differently.

FearlessF

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 45593
  • Liked:
Re: Have you tested positive for COVID-19?
« Reply #159 on: June 21, 2024, 09:07:47 AM »
Fauci's involvement probably helped create the virus

it's a stretch to think he helped it leak outside the lab
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 31141
  • Liked:
Re: Have you tested positive for COVID-19?
« Reply #160 on: June 21, 2024, 09:10:04 AM »
Fauci's involvement probably helped create the virus

it's a stretch to think he helped it leak outside the lab
Yes.

Yes.
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

Cincydawg

  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 82851
  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Liked:
Re: Have you tested positive for COVID-19?
« Reply #161 on: June 21, 2024, 09:13:44 AM »
I don't see any evidence of Fauci's involvement in creating the virus, but whatever.

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 31141
  • Liked:
Re: Have you tested positive for COVID-19?
« Reply #162 on: June 21, 2024, 09:23:09 AM »
I don't see any evidence of Fauci's involvement in creating the virus, but whatever.
Though Fauci has [color=var(--accent-foreground-rest)]stuck by that claim in subsequent congressional hearings[/color], NIH principal deputy director Dr. Lawrence Tabak told members of the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic last month that US taxpayers [color=var(--accent-foreground-rest)]did fund gain-of-function research[/color] on bat SARS viruses at the WIV.

Fauci:

“The smear campaign soon boiled over into conspiracy theories,” the former National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) chief and ex-White House chief medical adviser claims. “One of the most appalling examples of this was the allegation, without a shred of evidence, that an NIAID grant to the EcoHealth Alliance (EHA) with a subgrant to the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) in China funded research that caused the COVID pandemic.”
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

Cincydawg

  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 82851
  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Liked:
Re: Have you tested positive for COVID-19?
« Reply #163 on: June 21, 2024, 09:30:06 AM »
“It depends on your definition of gain-of-function research,” Tabak answered. “If you’re speaking about the generic term, yes, we did.”

This is my point, there are differing definition of GoF.  He clearly is referring to the broadest definition used, the "generic term".  And of course this is a long way from claiming Fauci personally funded said research.

I would think ANY basic research on pathogens might well involve modification of said pathogen so as to better understand how it works and what it could be.




FearlessF

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 45593
  • Liked:
Re: Have you tested positive for COVID-19?
« Reply #164 on: June 21, 2024, 09:36:49 AM »
I would think ANY basic research on pathogens might well involve modification of said pathogen so as to better understand how it works and what it could be.




yup, that could have easily been done in the US
seems odd the US funded a lab in China - maybe not Fauci's personal $$$
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

Cincydawg

  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 82851
  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Liked:
Re: Have you tested positive for COVID-19?
« Reply #165 on: June 21, 2024, 09:39:53 AM »
What I see is politicians word smithing highly technical terms to generate media attention, rather than actually investigating what probably happened, it's a political show, to me, unlikely to reveal anything "real".  I don't trust Congress to investigate anything.  

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 31141
  • Liked:
Re: Have you tested positive for COVID-19?
« Reply #166 on: June 21, 2024, 01:04:08 PM »
This is part 4. I've also read the first 3 parts. Interesting is a word I'd use.

Fauci unmasked: The consequences of school closures (msn.com)
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

Cincydawg

  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 82851
  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Liked:
Re: Have you tested positive for COVID-19?
« Reply #167 on: June 21, 2024, 01:21:55 PM »
Fauci turned around the next month endorsing prolonged shutdowns, saying, "There may be some areas where the level of virus is so high that it would not be prudent to bring children back to school," and warning of an "insidious increase" in cases.

In an interview with PBS News Hour after being asked if children would be forced into "many months of virtual learning," Fauci said, "In some places ... that may be the case."



 

Support the Site!
Purchase of every item listed here DIRECTLY supports the site.