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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: Happy Holidays
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2017, 02:22:00 PM »
He was not Palestinian. He was a Judean Jew.

The Solstice traditions that the secular aspects of Christmas trace back to were from NW Europe. Not Rome.

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Re: Happy Holidays
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2017, 02:47:24 PM »
Relations between Jewish areas and nearby Gentile areas
Galilee and Judaea, the principal Jewish areas of Palestine, were surrounded by Gentile territories (i.e., Caesarea, Dora, and Ptolemais on the Mediterranean coast; Caesarea Philippi north of Galilee; and Hippus and Gadara east of Galilee). There also were two inland Gentile cities on the west side of the Jordan River near Galilee (Scythopolis and Sebaste). The proximity of Gentile and Jewish areas meant that there was some interchange between them, including trade, which explains why Antipas had telōnēs—often translated as “tax collectors” but more accurately rendered as “customs officers”—in the villages on his side of the Sea of Galilee. There also was some exchange of populations: some Jews lived in Gentile cities, such as Scythopolis, and some Gentiles lived in at least one of the Jewish cities, Tiberias. Jewish merchants and traders could probably speak some Greek, but the primary language of Palestinian Jews was Aramaic (a Semitic languageclosely related to Hebrew).

Homework - do it Brutus Judea was in Palestine - DOH!Aramaic is the language Jesus spoke
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Re: Happy Holidays
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2017, 02:57:39 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on December 30, 2017, 02:22:00 PM
The Solstice traditions that the secular aspects of Christmas trace back to were from NW Europe. Not Rome.

"Io Saturnalia!" Two thousand years ago this was the seasonal greeting which would have chimed out across most of Europe, not "Merry Christmas". The Roman mid-winter festival of misrule has heavily influenced many Christmas traditions - including the time of year we celebrate.
At no point is a date for Jesus's birth given in the Bible, but references to the lambing season have led some theologians to conclude that he was born in spring. Why then do we celebrate his birth in the middle of winter?
"Christmas in December is a Western, Roman idea whereas in the Eastern Church it falls later, around the feast of the Epiphany in early January," explains Dr Matthew Nicholls, senior lecturer in Classics at the University of Reading.
For seven days from the 17 December it was party season in Roman times. Homes were decorated, parties held and slaves became masters - at least for one banquet. It was the start of a lengthy mid-winter period of merry-making and the season of goodwill - Saturnalia.
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Re: Happy Holidays
« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2017, 03:07:36 PM »
Did you copy and paste that from Solon, HuffPo, CNN, or MSNBC?
I didn't claim that He was born in December. While many cultures celebrate Winter Solstice, it was Northern Europe that did so with the traditions involving trees and wreaths and mistletoe and all that.

The Virgin Mary was a direct descendant of Ruth and Naomi and King David according to the scriptures; none of which were "Palestinian"
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Re: Happy Holidays
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2017, 03:14:40 PM »
From historytoday.com & Jesus,facts & traditions from Ency.Brittanica.Facts man stick to them.You stated he was not from Palestine,well Judea was in Palestine.Much like the Mid-West is in the US.While many other countries customs were absorbed by Rome.Many of Europe's tradition blossomed after the fall of the Empire
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Re: Happy Holidays
« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2017, 05:58:30 PM »
Rome controlled Israel in those days, actually. So that would be the proper label if we are basing it on citizenship.

Calling Jesus "Palestinian" is PC burfle of the highest order. You might as well have taken it all the way, and wished us all a happy Ramadan.
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Re: Happy Holidays
« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2017, 06:38:47 PM »
Palestine is/was a Geographic area it didn't mean Roman/Jew/Greek/Gentile etc.At the time of Jesus there was no Muslim Religion.Jesus lived in either Judea or Galilee depends on which Biblical accounts you want to believe.He did a lot of road trips obviously teaching/preaching/lecturing & healing as tradition would have it.Happy Holidays also includes people who may be practicing Jewish customs as Jesus use to - don't be a Bigot
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Re: Happy Holidays
« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2017, 08:07:34 PM »
I'm just bustin' thy chops a little. 
Don't git yer skivvies in a bunch.
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Re: Happy Holidays
« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2017, 10:16:19 AM »
Happy New Years Eve!
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Re: Happy Holidays
« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2017, 10:24:15 AM »
let the drinking begin.............

traditional pre-viking game bloody marys
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Re: Happy Holidays
« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2017, 10:49:03 AM »
I'm good for a couple of weeks - still feeling Friday Nite  :s_laugh:
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Re: Happy Holidays
« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2017, 10:52:38 AM »
Quote from: fezzador on December 29, 2017, 02:55:39 PM
Happy Holidays?  So generic and PC.  Probably a term invented by an atheist hippie.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, dammit.  


Christmas is fascinating to me because it’s a deeply American holiday if nothing else. It gets turned into a lighting rod of sorts. Some people want it to be religious, but for better or worse, it’s not. It is to some folks, but that spawns a whole host of other debates when folks get pushy. 
I tend to think of it as a day to celebrate how you wish. If going to mass/church is your thing, have at. If you just use it as a chance to cook a great meal and see family, that’s wonderful. If you’re catching a movie and some Chinese, another utterly legit way to do the thing. 
(FWIW, it’s fully legit to refer to that gentleman as a Palestinian. It’s probably good because it reminds us that’s a word that goes well beyond the baggage it currently has)
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Re: Happy Holidays
« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2017, 10:59:05 AM »
each and every day should be celebrated

and obviously celebrated as you and yours wish

freedom to do so is a precious right in this country

its a huge bonus when the workplace agrees with a paid day off
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Re: Happy Holidays
« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2017, 11:32:45 AM »
Jesus' contemporaries would have been surprised to know that in 2000 years people would refer to them as Palestinians.  While the region between Phoenicia (roughly modern Lebanon) and Egypt was called Palaistinê by Greek writers going back to the 5th century B.C., it was not used by the Romans in any official capacity until 135 A.D., when they combined Judea with Galilee and the Paralia (modern coastal Israel just north of Gaza) to form Syria Palaestina.
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