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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: Game day SOC.
« Reply #280 on: October 07, 2020, 12:03:10 PM »
I mean obviously he's not a complete dumpster fire. Hence the fawning adoration. 

He is definitely the best thing to happen to Kirk Ferentz. He would have finished with a losing record vs the Clones, if it wasn't for the Matt Campbell hire. 

I could see why someone like Pitt might take a flier on him. But the "next elite coach"? Come on. 

If a blueblood hired him, he'd be Harbaugh at Michigan; ten wins per year, underwhelming in rivalry games, third place in the Conference/Division, Bowl loss. 

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Re: Game day SOC.
« Reply #281 on: October 07, 2020, 12:11:41 PM »
I'd take 10 wins per season ...

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Re: Game day SOC.
« Reply #282 on: October 07, 2020, 12:12:37 PM »
I mean obviously he's not a complete dumpster fire. Hence the fawning adoration.

He is definitely the best thing to happen to Kirk Ferentz. He would have finished with a losing record vs the Clones, if it wasn't for the Matt Campbell hire.

I could see why someone like Pitt might take a flier on him. But the "next elite coach"? Come on.

If a blueblood hired him, he'd be Harbaugh at Michigan; ten wins per year, underwhelming in rivalry games, third place in the Conference/Division, Bowl loss.
I assume this just means predicting the next elite coach is generally meaningless.

The two most elite coaches at the moment, one had no coordinator experience, the other got pissy one year removed from  going 1.5 games above .500 his first four years in at MSU. I don't know who else even first that category? Maybe Day? (His resume was odd, to say the least)

Anywho, going 0-3 with passable teams against Iowa is what it is. If that's the be-all, end-all, then sure. It depends what one puts value on, circumstances to a degree, and in the end, there's always a nit to pick with most any coach.
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Re: Game day SOC.
« Reply #283 on: October 07, 2020, 12:21:06 PM »
I'd take 10 wins per season ...
Yeah right. Bo had you at 9, and that got him run out of town on a rail.
10 sounds good now, but it would get old if you were losing all the rivalry games, bowl games, and never winning any B1G West Titles.

Even a run to the NCG wasn't good enough for Solich. No way you'd put up with a John Cooper type coach indefinitely.

This guy is probably a good table setter. Get you out of the basement, and build up a roster so that someone that knows what they are doing can come in and win right away.

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« Reply #284 on: October 07, 2020, 12:23:15 PM »
What do people see in this guy? That he was able to build Iowa St up to the level of Boston College?

wins over #3 OU and #4 TCU as stated

also a couple upsets over the Horns

people see these upsets over teams with twice the talent and assume the guy can flat out coach
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« Reply #285 on: October 07, 2020, 12:25:40 PM »
If a blueblood hired him, he'd be Harbaugh at Michigan; ten wins per year, underwhelming in rivalry games, third place in the Conference/Division, Bowl loss.
I'm not sold Campbell could win 10 each season at Michigan, but it would be fun to watch him try.

He was talked about for the job in Lincoln, I wasn't impressed.
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Re: Game day SOC.
« Reply #286 on: October 07, 2020, 12:30:19 PM »
Yeah right. Bo had you at 9, and that got him run out of town on a rail.
10 sounds good now, but it would get old if you were losing all the rivalry games, bowl games, and never winning any B1G West Titles.

Even a run to the NCG wasn't good enough for Solich. No way you'd put up with a John Cooper type coach indefinitely.

This guy is probably a good table setter. Get you out of the basement, and build up a roster so that someone that knows what they are doing can come in and win right away.
sometimes lessons are learned the hard way...   I don't think he's elite.  I'd stay at ISU if I were him...  9 wins per season is hero status there...


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« Reply #287 on: October 07, 2020, 12:36:13 PM »
I'd much rather a big name hire the boat rower and get him out of the West
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« Reply #288 on: October 07, 2020, 12:37:06 PM »
sometimes lessons are learned the hard way...  I don't think he's elite.  I'd stay at ISU if I were him...  9 wins per season is hero status there...


So this is interesting. It implies he shouldn't test his limits because he might fail. We see this sometimes with great coordinators who become lousy head coaches, where we lament, if only they just stayed at what they were good at. 

But in the end, there's almost all upside and no downside in going somewhere better. If he succeeds at the next level, he continues a trend of people with uneven resumes doing well at big jobs. If he fails, some smaller team will give him another chance, probably one with a better foundation than ISU. And in the interim, he gets to feed his ambition and make a boatload more money. 

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Re: Game day SOC.
« Reply #289 on: October 07, 2020, 12:37:32 PM »
wins over #3 OU and #4 TCU as stated

also a couple upsets over the Horns

people see these upsets over teams with twice the talent and assume the guy can flat out coach
What's the evidence he cannot coach?

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Re: Game day SOC.
« Reply #290 on: October 07, 2020, 12:38:46 PM »
I'd much rather a big name hire the boat rower and get him out of the West
Every conference needs a carnival barker. Barnum stays.
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Re: Game day SOC.
« Reply #291 on: October 07, 2020, 12:43:46 PM »
So this is interesting. It implies he shouldn't test his limits because he might fail. We see this sometimes with great coordinators who become lousy head coaches, where we lament, if only they just stayed at what they were good at.

But in the end, there's almost all upside and no downside in going somewhere better. If he succeeds at the next level, he continues a trend of people with uneven resumes doing well at big jobs. If he fails, some smaller team will give him another chance, probably one with a better foundation than ISU. And in the interim, he gets to feed his ambition and make a boatload more money.


Some who fail never HC again as well.   I also think at times, people are good fits.   There is also nothing wrong with being Bill Snyder.  

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« Reply #292 on: October 07, 2020, 12:55:23 PM »
Every conference needs a carnival barker. Barnum stays.
never thought I'd hear that from you, of all Badgers
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Re: Game day SOC.
« Reply #293 on: October 07, 2020, 12:57:03 PM »
What's the evidence he cannot coach?
oh he can coach
just not sure he can win conference titles at Nebraska or Michigan or anywhere, including Iowa State.
Although, if he can beat Kansas State this season he has a shot at the Big 12 title
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