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MrNubbz

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Re: Game day SOC.
« Reply #266 on: October 07, 2020, 09:55:22 AM »
Klatt played for the Buffs and has a strong dislike of everything BIG RED
So in other words Wisconsin Fans don't like him? :D
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Re: Game day SOC.
« Reply #267 on: October 07, 2020, 09:59:40 AM »
Ya but many games the opponent has the horses.People aren't happy right now with Frost but i think he's a keeper.Right now Schools like Iowa ST and UNL have to work harder than an ugly stripper on the recruiting trail.
Iowa st, Iowa, KAnsas St, and Nebraska

there are plenty of others obviously

all those places are looking for signature wins, winning streaks and other ways of building momentum to attract recruits

other ways not including, "rowing the canoe"
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« Reply #268 on: October 07, 2020, 10:01:02 AM »
More like pulling a barge
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« Reply #269 on: October 07, 2020, 10:10:54 AM »
Ya but many games the opponent has the horses.People aren't happy right now with Frost but i think he's a keeper.Right now Schools like Iowa ST and UNL have to work harder than an ugly stripper on the recruiting trail.
I don't think that has really changed...  they've always had an uphill battle... play close to home or travel thousand of miles.   The key has always been walkons and 5th year seniors.   Programs like UNL and even wisky have to build players.  The can't rely on a 6'6" 340 true freshman at RT.   They have to recruit the 6'6" kid who is only 280 right now and playing TE... and make him a RT.   You can end up successful and in the same place, but it just has a different pace of recovery/building.   

UNL compounded that problem with AD switching systems and basically putting themselves on probation with each coaching change.  

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Re: Game day SOC.
« Reply #270 on: October 07, 2020, 10:18:07 AM »
UNL compounded that problem with AD switching systems and basically putting themselves on probation with each coaching change. 
Didn't know that,pretty hard to re-establish the recruiting lanes when the the detour has been this long.But today's kids seem more fickle - one good season is all that is needed.And for covid to go away
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Re: Game day SOC.
« Reply #271 on: October 07, 2020, 10:20:30 AM »
Matt Campbell's name comes up, but then he goes out a loses one or two games a season that he shouldn't

just enough to keep the big guys from calling with that bucket of cash

That dude is the worst "hot name coach" that I have ever seen. 

At ISU his best season was 8-5, with a third place Big 12 finish, he has a losing bowl record all in sub-NY6 Bowl Games, and he has gone winless in rivalry (Cyhawk) games during that time. 

And before anyone belts out a vacuous "it's Iowa St, what do you expect?" from the back row, and I already know it's coming.... 

The Cyclones lead the Cyhawk series 10-8 from 1998 up until the year before they hired Campbell. It was a game that gave Ferentz fits no matter who was coaching the Cyclones, or how bad the Cyclones sucked. That is up until they hired this clown, and now you can just circle that one as a w on Iowa's schedule. 

He has even lost a game to N Iowa, and needed OT in order to beat them on another occasion. 

What do people see in this guy? That he was able to build Iowa St up to the level of Boston College? 

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Re: Game day SOC.
« Reply #272 on: October 07, 2020, 10:21:26 AM »
Solich - option and inside running game
BC - West Coast Offense
BP - Spread option
Riley - Traditional pro formation, power running
Frost - Spread balance

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« Reply #273 on: October 07, 2020, 10:29:29 AM »
That dude is the worst "hot name coach" that I have ever seen.

No he isn't he was the guy behind Toledo's resurgence about a decade ago but Tim Beckman got the credit.He turned around and made a mess in Champaign-Urbana.Where as Campell righted the ship so to speak in Ames as reasonably as could be expected.Oh and it's Iowa State,hell Urbz lost to Iowa and Purdue in B2B years with a decided advantage in the talent/roster.And Brohm and Ferentz both later went out and laid eggs - it happens
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Re: Game day SOC.
« Reply #274 on: October 07, 2020, 10:38:13 AM »
That dude is the worst "hot name coach" that I have ever seen.

At ISU his best season was 8-5, with a third place Big 12 finish, he has a losing bowl record all in sub-NY6 Bowl Games, and he has gone winless in rivalry (Cyhawk) games during that time.

And before anyone belts out a vacuous "it's Iowa St, what do you expect?" from the back row, and I already know it's coming....

The Cyclones lead the Cyhawk series 10-8 from 1998 up until the year before they hired Campbell. It was a game that gave Ferentz fits no matter who was coaching the Cyclones, or how bad the Cyclones sucked. That is up until they hired this clown, and now you can just circle that one as a w on Iowa's schedule.

He has even lost a game to N Iowa, and needed OT in order to beat them on another occasion.

What do people see in this guy? That he was able to build Iowa St up to the level of Boston College?

So this is interesting. It asks, does the next hot name coach need to be someone who beaks through with a big season (9-plus wins)? Or can someone who has been more consistently solid get a nod. It's the reason Darrell Hazel gets a promotion after two years on the job, while Chris Chrighton, who has five years of 5 to 7 wins at Eastern Michigan does not. (Four years at one game below .500 at EMU is bonkers).

I supposed the Iowa rivalry thing is notable, though it's two sides of the same coin. Before Campbell, Iowa State could upend decent Iowa teams, but even then was mostly mediocre to bad, so it was losing slip up games aplenty. Now Iowa State can up end better teams like OU and such, but is still prone to slip ups. 

I respect there's some tiring of "it's ISU," but it really is. ISU's winningest coach didn't win 40 percent of his games. Since Earl Bruce, the best full-time coach by winning percentage was 18-24-2. But there's also a factor that winning big upsets and losing slip up games works at an underdog school and makes you enemy of the state at a bigger one (it's like a great anecdote about being a bad team goalie in one of my favorite books about hockey).

I think Campbell has some good personality traits. He's got system stuff, but he's mostly a culture guy, makes good impressions. I know his Toledo time was successful but probably not where it should've been given the talent at hand. If that makes him a good option at the next level, who knows? Most coaches rise till they're fired, and he likely will go down that path. 

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Re: Game day SOC.
« Reply #275 on: October 07, 2020, 10:40:59 AM »
imo.. building consistency at eastern would be tougher than building one 9 win season...   That said, Cultural fit is more important. 

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« Reply #276 on: October 07, 2020, 11:03:54 AM »
imo.. building consistency at eastern would be tougher than building one 9 win season...  That said, Cultural fit is more important.
I agree. But it usually takes that big season. Interestingly, when Urban jumped out of the MAC, he had less of a big season than one remembers, but he upset some mediocre Big 12 teams and had that culture/feel to him that everyone could see. 

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« Reply #277 on: October 07, 2020, 11:26:35 AM »
Heh, Toledo has had the best roster in the Mac the whole millennium, and they never win their own division, let alone the Mac CCG. Perennial underachievers. 

They did manage to muster one the year after Campbell left though. So perhaps he might really set a mean table for the next ISU HC, lol. 

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« Reply #278 on: October 07, 2020, 11:36:45 AM »
That dude is the worst "hot name coach" that I have ever seen.

At ISU his best season was 8-5, with a third place Big 12 finish, he has a losing bowl record all in sub-NY6 Bowl Games, and he has gone winless in rivalry (Cyhawk) games during that time.

And before anyone belts out a vacuous "it's Iowa St, what do you expect?" from the back row, and I already know it's coming....

The Cyclones lead the Cyhawk series 10-8 from 1998 up until the year before they hired Campbell. It was a game that gave Ferentz fits no matter who was coaching the Cyclones, or how bad the Cyclones sucked. That is up until they hired this clown, and now you can just circle that one as a w on Iowa's schedule.

He has even lost a game to N Iowa, and needed OT in order to beat them on another occasion.

What do people see in this guy? That he was able to build Iowa St up to the level of Boston College?

Uhhh, "this guy's resume sucks when you take all the good stuff out" much?


ISU pre-Campbell:  3-9, 2-10, 3-9
First year Campbell:  3-9
2nd year Campbell:  8-5.....with wins over #3 OU and #4 TCU


He raised the potential ceiling at ISU with those two wins.  All 5 losses were to decent programs and none by more than 10 points.  He took a talentless? roster and after one year, made them matter and showed what was possible.  Multiple wins over top-5 teams (I'd guess) wouldn't happen at ISU in a decade, and he did it in a season - in year 2.  

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« Reply #279 on: October 07, 2020, 11:44:05 AM »


That's cute. 

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