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Topic: Other P5 Divisional Races headed into week 11

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medinabuckeye1

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Other P5 Divisional Races headed into week 11
« on: November 06, 2018, 07:42:16 AM »
I already posted about the B1G Divisional races, here I'll discuss the other P5 races.  

ACC-Atlantic:
Clemson (6-0) and BC (5-1) Play this weekend in Chestnut Hill.  If Clemson wins, they clinch.  If BC wins they take control but Clemson would get back in it if BC loses one of their last two (@FSU, vsCuse).  

ACC-Coastal:
Pitt (4-1) is in control and they play VaTech (3-2) this weekend.  If Pitt wins this weekend they almost clinch.  If VaTech wins then this could come down to the final weekend because there will be a gaggle of teams with two and three losses all still at least mathematically alive.  UNC (1-5) is eliminated but the weird thing is that their one and only win came against division-leading Pitt.  

B12:
OU and WVU (both 5-1) are in control but they play each other on the Friday after Thanksgiving so at least one of them will have at least two losses before the season ends.  It could matter which one because WVU would win a tie with Texas but lose a tie with ISU while OU would win a tie with ISU but lose a tie with TX.  Texas and Iowa State are both 4-2 and play in two weeks.  

P12-N:
We are still on pace for the Apple Cup between WSU (5-1) and UW (5-2) to decide this one but Stanford and Oregon (both 3-3) are at least mathematically alive.  Cal and OrSU are mathematically eliminated.  

P12-S:
Last week I called this the messiest division in the P5 because none of the teams were better than 4-2.  Well the 4-2 team lost so now there is a three-way tie between Utah, USC, and Zona at 4-3 with ASU just a half game back at 3-3.  Even the two 2-4 teams (Colorado and UCLA) are still in the race.  This one is VERY likely to end up in a tie so I went ahead and looked up the PAC's tiebreaker.  For a two-team tie it is H2H.  For a multiple team tie it is:
  • H2H.  
  • Divisional Record.  
  • Record against the next best team(s) in the division, then the next, etc.  
  • Record in all common conference games.  
  • Highest ranking in "SportSource Analytics poll entering the final weekend of the regular season."  
As far as I can tell, no team currently controls their own destiny.  This one is messy.  

SEC:
The SECCG will be between UGA and Bama.  

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Re: Other P5 Divisional Races headed into week 11
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2018, 09:55:23 AM »
I'm pulling for a six way tie in  the Pac 12 South. 
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Re: Other P5 Divisional Races headed into week 11
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2018, 02:03:24 PM »
Who am I to disagree?
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Re: Other P5 Divisional Races headed into week 11
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2018, 02:47:37 PM »
I'm pulling for a six way tie in  the Pac 12 South.
That is obviously pretty unlikely but at this point a three or four team tie is not.  Here are the Pac12-S teams and how they have done against other Pac12-S teams and who they have left:
  • 4-3 Utah:  Beat Zona, USC, UCLA.  Lost to ASU.  @Colorado.  3-1 with one to play.  
  • 4-3 USC:  Beat Zona, Colorado.  Lost to Utah, ASU.  @UCLA.  2-2 with one to play.  
  • 4-3 Zona:  Beat Colorado.  Lost to USC, Utah, UCLA.  vsASU.  1-3 with one to play.  
  • 3-3 ASU:  Beat USC, Utah.  Lost to Colorado.  vsUCLA, @Zona.  2-1 with two to play.  
  • 2-4 Colorado:  Beat UCLA, ASU.  Lost to USC, Zona.  vsUtah.  2-2 with one to play.  
  • 2-4 UCLA:  Beat Zona.  Lost to Colorado, Utah.  @ASU, vsUSC.  1-2 with two to play.  

Utah is in the best shape with their 3-1 divisional record but they do NOT control their own destiny because they would lose a two-way tie with ASU.  

I was wrong above.  The Sun Devils actually DO control their own destiny.  If they win out (vsUCLA, @Ore, @Zona) they will finish 6-3.  They could end up tied with either Utah, USC, or both but it wouldn't matter because they beat both of those teams.  If they win out their loss to Colorado is a non-factor because the Buffaloes can do no better than 5-4.  

What each team needs (assumes that they win out, shortest path to the Pac12CG):
  • 3-3 ASU:  Controls their own destiny.  
  • 4-3 Utah:  Needs one ASU loss.  
  • 4-3 USC:  Needs a Utah loss and an ASU loss.  
  • 4-3 Zona:  Needs a USC loss and a Utah loss.  
  • 2-4 Colorado:  Needs two USC losses, two Zona losses, and an ASU loss.  
  • 2-4 UCLA:  Needs a Colorado loss, two Utah losses, a USC loss, and a Zona loss.  

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Re: Other P5 Divisional Races headed into week 11
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2018, 07:34:26 PM »
Pitt is going to demolish VT. Then next week Wake's backup QB will light them up for 52. 

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Re: Other P5 Divisional Races headed into week 11
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2018, 08:53:51 PM »
Pitt is going to demolish VT. Then next week Wake's backup QB will light them up for 52.
Yeah, I’d almost be willing to lay significant money on that exact scenario happening.  That would be so Pitt.

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Re: Other P5 Divisional Races headed into week 11
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2018, 09:43:33 PM »
is VT really that bad?
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Re: Other P5 Divisional Races headed into week 11
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2018, 05:30:12 AM »
is VT really that bad?
LOL.  It’s more about Pitt getting his hopes up only to then bash them to death on jagged rocks.

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Re: Other P5 Divisional Races headed into week 11
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2018, 10:14:29 AM »
I watch VT v ND a couple weeks back hoping for an upset.  VT didn't look very good in that game but ND has proven to be a solid squad.

I was mostly surprised by the performance of Bud Foster's defense or lack thereof.

What I've seen from Pitt wasn't impressive either.
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