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Topic: First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues

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OrangeAfroMan

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First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues
« on: November 03, 2024, 09:07:53 PM »
This is going to be a WEIRD playoff bracket, and I don't just mean Tuesday.  
The real, final one could have SMU, Indiana, BYU, and possibly others could make it in.

A few blue bloods are going to laugh their way to a NCG.  
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Re: First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2024, 09:37:19 PM »
Is Oregon a blue blood?

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Re: First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2024, 10:17:29 PM »
Upsets happen.  TCU beat Michigan a couple of years ago in the playoffs.  It can happen to anybody.

The more rounds you add,  the harder it will be for a top team to actually win the national championship. 

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Re: First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2024, 10:27:04 PM »
Upsets happen.  TCU beat Michigan a couple of years ago in the playoffs.  It can happen to anybody.

The more rounds you add,  the harder it will be for a top team to actually win the national championship.
For an individual top team, maybe.

For one of the group of them, not at all.

The more rounds you add the more likely it is that the freak upsets don't matter. Your example of TCU is apt. Yeah, they beat Michigan*, but what happened in the next game?


https://youtu.be/JbInPJ_uKoE?si=ECjOHTIOwdgJ-DRa

It was ugly, 38-7 at the half.

BYU might waltz into Tuscaloosa or Happy Valley and get a first round upset but they are not going to win four straight games against the best teams in the country.

*It also must be noted that Michigan was cheating on an industrial scale that season but failed to plan their scheme against TCU. The Wolverines were NC Caliber WITH their cheating scheme but an average team without it.

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Re: First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2024, 10:29:21 PM »
So it keeps more teams involved, even though it ultimately doesnt matter?

Sounds perfect to me.

I cant remember the last time CCG Saturday was must watch TV across the board.  2007, 2001 and 1998 come to mind.  Add in my 4 team G5 play in tournament, and youve got perfection

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Re: First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2024, 10:31:15 PM »
upsets in the first round or 2nd make it easier for one of the top 5 to win it all
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Re: First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2024, 11:49:21 PM »
Not sure what you mean by a top 5 team.

In the old 4-team CFP,  you had a 100% chance one of the top 5 teams would win the championship.

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Re: First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2024, 06:24:08 AM »
I noted before a possibility UGA could be the top tanked team, and a 5 seed,  Yes, it will be weird.  And the more games you have to play, the greater the chance you get knocked off.  These teams will all be top 20ish  teams, better than all but 3-4-5 teams you play all season.

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Re: First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2024, 06:25:06 AM »
I aso think the conference tie breakers will lead to controversy, and get modified.

I also think the first CFP show is just a show.

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Re: First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2024, 07:57:57 PM »
Multiple rounds, statistically, are going to kind of snip off the ends of the bell curve here.

Teams may pull an upset, which is unlikely, so 2 in a row is astronomically unlikely.

The best teams, even if they're truly best, are going to have to prove it multiple times against teams they have a <70% chance to beat (probably), which makes 2 wins vs teams that good at under 50% likelihood.

It helps teams that are good enough to avoid upsets AND beat #1 on any given day.  A race to the middle (of the top cluster), if you will.
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Re: First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2024, 08:52:55 PM »
What's the first thing about the playoffs that they tinker with in the offseason? 

The BCS routinely made adjustments every time something weird happened, iirc. 

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Re: First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2024, 09:05:44 PM »
What's the first thing about the playoffs that they tinker with in the offseason?

The BCS routinely made adjustments every time something weird happened, iirc.

If they don't expand to 14 teams,  I predict they will change the seeding process so that the top 4 seeds will include the 3 top conference champions and the best at-large team.  The best at-large team can be ranked anywhere from #1 to #4 and will get a first round bye.

If the 4th best conference champion is not included in the top 4 seeds,  then it will be guarunteed a first round home game instead

If they do expand to 14,  then only the top 2 conference champions will get first round byes.

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Re: First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2024, 09:37:47 PM »
if an SEC team doesn't win it, .......... there will be a change
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Re: First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2024, 10:27:37 PM »
What's the first thing about the playoffs that they tinker with in the offseason?

The BCS routinely made adjustments every time something weird happened, iirc.

I found it akin to missing your first XP and then chasing points going for 2 over and over again.  
Stupid.
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