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« Reply #728 on: December 13, 2020, 11:53:40 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on December 13, 2020, 07:58:10 PM

"Same as the guy before him" means that it didn't improve their lot at all. It made no difference.
Gailey (the guy before him) never won more than 9 games and couldn't beat UGA (0-6).  Johnson won 10 games twice and beat UGA 3 times.  His highs were higher and lows were lower.  For a program that can't realistically expect sustained success, having some peaks in there is better, no?
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« Reply #729 on: December 13, 2020, 11:59:05 PM »
Why did Illinois hire Tim Beckman?  Peaked with 8 wins at Toledo...and that gets him the Illinois job??  Zook and Smith were retreads, so I think they should get the up-and-comer, and one that's done better than 8-4.  
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Re: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost
« Reply #730 on: December 14, 2020, 08:57:25 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 13, 2020, 11:59:05 PM
Why did Illinois hire Tim Beckman?  Peaked with 8 wins at Toledo...and that gets him the Illinois job??  Zook and Smith were retreads, so I think they should get the up-and-comer, and one that's done better than 8-4. 
Hot MAC coach syndrome. 

The guy who wins a division with a high-scoring offense and has a few years under his belt often gets a call-up to a lower rung Big Ten school. Beckman was interesting because his Illinois teams improved record-wise each year, but then he got fired for something outside games.

And if we look, two names mentioned are successful or up and coming MAC coaches. It's probably a program that needs to crawl before it can walk. Ron Zook got them to three bowls in seven years, and that's one of the best runs in 25 years. 
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« Reply #731 on: December 14, 2020, 09:03:59 AM »
Who were the top HCs out of the Mac? 

Saban and Meyer obviously. Woody and Bo, if we are going way back. 

Glen Mason and Gary Pinkel were fine. 

Matt Campbell is the "big name" today. 
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Re: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost
« Reply #732 on: December 14, 2020, 09:31:30 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on December 14, 2020, 09:03:59 AM
Who were the top HCs out of the Mac?

Saban and Meyer obviously. Woody and Bo, if we are going way back.

Glen Mason and Gary Pinkel were fine.

Matt Campbell is the "big name" today.
Like the best all-time or the ones who've made the jump of late?

If it's the first, you can add Don James, Don Nehlen.  

Pinkel won 191 career games, which is kinda bonkers to think about. Bill Mallory was pretty decent. Brian Kelly has a very good but not great resume. Jim Grove was in the fine category. 

It's interesting how most high-end folks just coach at so few places. 
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« Reply #733 on: December 14, 2020, 09:48:47 AM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 13, 2020, 11:53:40 PM
Gailey (the guy before him) never won more than 9 games and couldn't beat UGA (0-6).  Johnson won 10 games twice and beat UGA 3 times.  His highs were higher and lows were lower.  For a program that can't realistically expect sustained success, having some peaks in there is better, no?
Actually they should Illinois is a good football state with 12.5 million.Many go to ND,UM,tOSU or other places.Fence it in,lock it down and they will come
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« Reply #734 on: December 14, 2020, 09:51:38 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on December 14, 2020, 09:31:30 AM
Bill Mallory was pretty decent. 
Back in the day I was hoping tOSU would hire him,before and during Bruce/Cooper.IMO he could have made some noise at a Top 10
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« Reply #735 on: December 14, 2020, 10:17:40 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on December 14, 2020, 09:48:47 AM
Actually they should Illinois is a good football state with 12.5 million.Many go to ND,UM,tOSU or other places.Fence it in,lock it down and they will come
I was talking about Georgia Tech.......
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« Reply #736 on: December 14, 2020, 10:25:32 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on December 14, 2020, 09:48:47 AM
Actually they should Illinois is a good football state with 12.5 million.Many go to ND,UM,tOSU or other places.Fence it in,lock it down and they will come
Hard to do. Chicago as a city doesn't really have any real affinity for the Illini -- it's a pro sports town and it's a magnet for the rest of the Midwest so college affiliation is mixed from the entire region. And Chicago is where all the talent is.

From Chicago, it's probably a pretty equivalent drive to Madison, to Champaign, to South Bend, to West Lafayette, and then there's Evanston already in your backyard. Top talent will pick Notre Dame / OSU / Michigan over Illinois in a hot second, and the rest of those programs will be fighting with the Illini for the next talent rung.

It's not like Ohio where it doesn't matter what city you're in, OSU football is king. In Chicago, they don't have much time to complain about the Illini--they're already complaining about Da Bears. 
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« Reply #737 on: December 14, 2020, 10:34:38 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on December 14, 2020, 09:31:30 AM
Like the best all-time or the ones who've made the jump of late?

If it's the first, you can add Don James, Don Nehlen. 

Pinkel won 191 career games, which is kinda bonkers to think about. Bill Mallory was pretty decent. Brian Kelly has a very good but not great resume. Jim Grove was in the fine category.

It's interesting how most high-end folks just coach at so few places.


Yeah, not Mac lifers but P5 coaches that made the jump. 
Ara Parsegian, Randy Walker....
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Re: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost
« Reply #738 on: December 14, 2020, 10:48:34 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on December 14, 2020, 10:34:38 AM

Yeah, not Mac lifers but P5 coaches that made the jump.
Ara Parsegian, Randy Walker....
Ahh horsefeathers. I was looking at the CFB reference list, and they don't list the MAC until 1962. A lot also go MAC, somewhere else, then bigger job. Like almost no one goes MAC to Michigan. 

Here's some P5 guys, irrespective of quality:
Fleck
Hazell
Dave Doeren
Al Golden
Hoke
Turner Gill
Terry Hoeppner
Butch Jones
Jerry Kill
Michael Haywood went to Pitt, but was fired quickly after hitting his wife
Matt Rhule was a MAC OC, but when he took over, it was AAC
Dave Clawson
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« Reply #739 on: December 14, 2020, 10:54:09 AM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on December 14, 2020, 10:25:32 AM
Hard to do. Chicago as a city doesn't really have any real affinity for the Illini -- it's a pro sports town and it's a magnet for the rest of the Midwest so college affiliation is mixed from the entire region. And Chicago is where all the talent is.
I remember those Illini Defenses with Howard,Hardy and Rice in the mid '90s - they were fookin' good
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« Reply #740 on: December 14, 2020, 11:01:53 AM »
Sam Webb- homer extraordinarie- but also maybe the most plugged in guy to Michigan football- saying nothing is even close to being announced in terms of an extension- Jesus h Christ they are really bungling this thing.

Webb also saying as of right now- in 3 days Michigan still in lead to hold onto 4* WR Xavier Worthy and to add 4* RB Donovan Edwards. Says anything could happen in 3 days though. So...we’ll see. 

Dream scenario...Worthy and Edwards sign and Harbaugh leaves for NFL and we get a new coach.
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« Reply #741 on: December 14, 2020, 11:05:13 AM »
Then Edwards might hit the portal faster than a hole
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