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Mdot21

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« Reply #630 on: December 04, 2020, 02:32:56 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 04, 2020, 02:17:57 PM
I'd also guess that some of these kids were sold on the UCF fairytale that it was going to be all roses, all winning, fun stuff being undefeated and destroying opponents.

all glory
this is a great point too. it's easier for these kids to buy in when they are winning. Alabama, Clemson, Ohio St- everyone buys in because: they are always winning. 

People tend not to buy in or to just call it a day and cash out when you're going 4-8 or 5-7 and getting your ass kicked all the time. 

It's a lot easier to want to sacrifice and work harder and harder when you're winning.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost
« Reply #631 on: December 04, 2020, 02:41:24 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 04, 2020, 02:10:01 PM
Harbaugh has been through this as well. He's had lot of kids wind up disliking him and leaving early for NFL or transferring. You have to remember, the head coach isn't doing the majority of the recruiting- it's the assistants. Head coach will be involved in recruitments, but typically aren't the main recruiters. They'll talk on the phone here or there or meet them in person on visits- but they aren't the point man. It's the assistant that builds the relationship and gets buddy-buddy with the recruits.

Recruiting is about selling bullshit to stupid 17-18 year olds to get them to come. Getting them to come- and then keeping them there and getting them to develop and making them productive are two entirely different skill sets.
Very rare to see a kid leave Madison. I think it's just that the coaches are really good guys that promote a culture that works for everyone.
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« Reply #632 on: December 04, 2020, 03:07:26 PM »
yup, and when you recruit to that culture

don't even offer kids that hint that they might want it easy

of course that is easier to do when you are established and winning

when a new coach takes over, he has to take some risks with recruits to upgrade the talent and win immediately
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« Reply #633 on: December 04, 2020, 03:12:10 PM »
Oh yeah, the staff is very selective with their offers. They vet social media, get transcripts and get to know a kid before they pull the trigger. They don't shotgun anything.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost
« Reply #634 on: December 04, 2020, 03:14:47 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 04, 2020, 02:41:24 PM
Very rare to see a kid leave Madison. I think it's just that the coaches are really good guys that promote a culture that works for everyone.
Wouldn't doubt it. Wisconsin type culture is what every team should be aiming for. 

I think a lot of Michigan's players feel like Jim Harbaugh is full of shit and he's not all there when it comes to offensive strategy, play-calling, personnel- and that's why he's had a lot transfer or dip out early.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost
« Reply #635 on: December 04, 2020, 03:23:45 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 04, 2020, 02:16:02 PM
I don't think the Husker coaches are sugarcoating anything or making promises to these kids.
I'd guess the kids have no F" ing idea what hard work is and are a bit surprised.

most kids adapt, adjust, and fight for playing time
some don't
oh you are correct these young kids today all want the end result without the effort to get there it is a major problem and one that is a little scary to think what the next generation will be like as these young people as role models 
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« Reply #636 on: December 04, 2020, 03:27:01 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 04, 2020, 02:16:02 PM
I don't think the Husker coaches are sugarcoating anything or making promises to these kids.
I'd guess the kids have no F" ing idea what hard work is and are a bit surprised.

most kids adapt, adjust, and fight for playing time
some don't


James Laurentius was claiming on the radio that Frost told him that the players at UCF were really hungry to get better. He couldn't keep them out of the practice facility; Southern kids without much money who see football as their meal ticket. They were always trying to get better. When he got to Nebraska it was a bunch of lazy California kids who complained about having to go to practice. They didn't do a thing beyond what was demanded of them, and even then it was like pulling teeth. 
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Re: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost
« Reply #637 on: December 04, 2020, 03:32:13 PM »
Riley's Cali kids

Matt Campbell talked about culture and kids wanting everything now in his press conference last week

Coach Campbell says it doesn't work that way
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Re: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost
« Reply #638 on: December 04, 2020, 03:43:49 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on December 04, 2020, 03:27:01 PM

James Laurentius was claiming on the radio that Frost told him that the players at UCF were really hungry to get better. He couldn't keep them out of the practice facility; Southern kids without much money who see football as their meal ticket. They were always trying to get better. When he got to Nebraska it was a bunch of lazy California kids who complained about having to go to practice. They didn't do a thing beyond what was demanded of them, and even then it was like pulling teeth.
in the defense of the Big Ten schools there is a higher level of education for those enrolled at a big ten school, than say UCF.  there are classes that are accountable to and something called grades

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« Reply #639 on: December 04, 2020, 04:26:09 PM »
Update on the 'big 3' HC hires from 2017-8:
28-6 (18-6)  Dan Mullen
10-19 (7-16)  Scott Frost
9-19 (9-13)  Chip Kelly


Hmph, Mullen hasn't lost an OOC game and Kelly hasn't won one.  
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« Reply #640 on: December 04, 2020, 04:51:44 PM »
of those 3, I still rather have Frost in Lincoln

I might change my mind in a few years, but not yet
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« Reply #641 on: December 04, 2020, 04:57:42 PM »
Frost might wish that he'd've pounced on that Florida job. He'd never admit it though. 
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Re: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost
« Reply #642 on: December 04, 2020, 05:30:52 PM »
he wouldn't say it out loud, lest a hidden microphone could pick it up

like Pelini
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« Reply #643 on: December 06, 2020, 09:57:01 AM »
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