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Re: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost
« Reply #448 on: November 23, 2020, 12:42:28 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 23, 2020, 12:27:31 PM
It doesn't HAVE to mean man, a lot of teams run Cover 0 in goal line situations, or 4th-and-1, which is why you get so many long TDs in that situation - no one is back there to slow them down.
So, they can play zone in Cover Zero?

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« Reply #449 on: November 23, 2020, 12:49:18 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on November 21, 2020, 06:54:03 PM
Nebraska ran the ball down the throat of everybody they played in their heyday. They aren’t doing that anymore, and honestly I think running the football is dead. You need a modern passing game to win, or you’re screwed.
You might be right vis-a-vis winning an NC, but that doesn't mean it is impossible to be successful being a predominantly running team.  

Look at Wisconsin.  They are at their best when their passing threat is credible, obviously, but even when their QB's are average or worse they are still usually a pretty good team.  

I might be wrong, but I *THINK* that Nebraska could attain Wisconsin level success as a Wisconsin style team.  The issue is that I'm not sure that Nebraska's fans would accept that.  In Wisconsin's case they've never known anything better so while I'm sure they'd love to win NC's (or at least league CG's), this is basically as good as they've ever been (other than a few years during Barry's reign) so it looks good.  Same thing in Lincoln would be compared to a cabinet full of increasingly aging NC and league champion trophies so it might not be enough.  
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« Reply #450 on: November 23, 2020, 01:11:10 PM »
the Huskers won't be a threat in the west until they can match the play in the trenches of Iowa and Wisconsin

I think Frost has figured that out.  It's just not real easy to get there.

I think Frost would love to be a dominant running team with his elements of spread RPO passing for big chunks.

the O-line was supposed to be the strength of the offense this season with all 5 starters coming back, but that hasn't happened.

Benhart and Piper are redshirt frosh, Jurgens is a soph.

Matt Farniok and Jaimes are seniors, but not playing great.

The D-line was going to be youngsters and not expected to do much.

Rogers is a soph, Ty Robinson is a redshirt frosh.  Stille is a senior, but not great.

the D-line actually shows some promise with talent.
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« Reply #451 on: November 23, 2020, 01:12:19 PM »
most Husker fans would be fine with matching Wisconsin's level in the West.

the percentage that wouldn't be satisfied will never be satisfied
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« Reply #452 on: November 23, 2020, 01:20:13 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 23, 2020, 01:12:19 PM
most Husker fans would be fine with matching Wisconsin's level in the West.

the percentage that wouldn't be satisfied will never be satisfied
The Illinois loss is concerning to me for Nebraska.  Their four played games, chronologically:
  • Lost badly to tOSU:  Maybe tOSU is just that good?
  • Lost close to Northwestern:  Northwestern is still undefeated so this doesn't look all that bad.  
  • Beat PSU by a TD:  It isn't good relative to PSU's other opponents but it was a win so not bad.  
  • Lost to IL by 18:  This IL team got blown out by both UW and MN, lost to PU, and barely beat RU.  This is not good.  

As long as the Illinois game is an outlier things might be ok in Lincoln but if the Cornhuskers look like that the rest of the way they are going to finish 1-6.  

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« Reply #453 on: November 23, 2020, 01:22:39 PM »
concerning for all Husker fans

need a strong effort against the Hawkeyes

or will get a huge beat down

I don't see any chance of a win, but perhaps can keep the game respectable 7-10 points
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« Reply #454 on: November 23, 2020, 02:07:29 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 23, 2020, 01:22:39 PM
concerning for all Husker fans

need a strong effort against the Hawkeyes

or will get a huge beat down

I don't see any chance of a win, but perhaps can keep the game respectable 7-10 points
I really think it will come down to what Nebraska's D does against the Iowa run. If they can continuously put IA in 3rd and long situations to make Petras win or lose the game, Nebraska has a good shot. Petras will be a solid QB during his career but I don't think he is ready to take over any games. If IA's RBs keep running like they have been, it will be a long day for Nebraska. 
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« Reply #455 on: November 23, 2020, 02:40:24 PM »
I don't expect the Husker's defense to be able to stop the Hawk run game enough to win.

They may slow it down and cause a close game, but they won't shut it down enough to cause Petras to have to beat them
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« Reply #456 on: November 23, 2020, 08:52:21 PM »

Coming atcha from a van, down by the river... 



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« Reply #457 on: November 23, 2020, 10:53:19 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 23, 2020, 12:42:28 PM
So, they can play zone in Cover Zero?


Sure, it just means no one is covering deep.  It'd be like a shallow "Cover 5", but that doesn't exist.  It's referred to as a "shell," though.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost
« Reply #458 on: November 23, 2020, 11:46:46 PM »
Bullshit cover zero is by design man-man coverage,you're digging up a different descriptions.Shell is a form of zone,show me a defensive playbook that has a scheme called cover zero zone or shell
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Re: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost
« Reply #459 on: November 24, 2020, 09:53:42 AM »

Quote from: Mdot21 on November 21, 2020, 06:54:03 PM


Saban realized this and years after trying to fight and get rule changes- he said if I can’t beat them, I’m gonna join them- enter Tua and the complete reconfiguration of Bama’s offense.

There's sort of an irony that teams actually built around Tua's skill set never won a title. They couldn't do what Manball or Jake Coker or a team built to run the ball 62-plus percent of the time with Hurts could. 

The very good offenses are loaded with good players who do everything well all over. The scheme stuff tends to be modestly overrated. If you have super good players and don't eff it up, you're fine. Now you have to be able to pass to be elite. But his pre-spread teams could pass pretty damn well. 

There's no real secret. Gobs of talent, non-bad QB play, rock and roll. The endless chasing of "If only the offense got 'modern' is just putting lipstick on 'my team is short good players in key areas or not running what it's supposed to run well'"
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Re: #FireHarbaugh - #FireFrost
« Reply #460 on: November 24, 2020, 10:02:04 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on November 23, 2020, 11:46:46 PM
Bullshit cover zero is by design man-man coverage,you're digging up a different descriptions.Shell is a form of zone,show me a defensive playbook that has a scheme called cover zero zone or shell
I'm curious how Cover Zero could be zone.  Say I have three WRs, one in the slot, a typical arrangement, and two DBs and a safety to cover them in ZONE?

How does that work?  Maybe on goal line?  Or fourth and one, but I'm talking about a normal play.

If you play a three man zone D, I'm going to have my guys just sit in an open area all day, or flood one side with two guys against your one.
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« Reply #461 on: November 24, 2020, 10:02:33 AM »
yup, Osborne's option works fine with the right players and execution
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