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FearlessF

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« Reply #294 on: November 17, 2020, 11:43:35 AM »
he's probably been told to resign
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« Reply #295 on: November 17, 2020, 11:45:51 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 17, 2020, 11:43:35 AM
he's probably been told to resign
dude is a lost cause. you can tell every time he has a press conference the last 2 years at least that he's just completely not into it anymore. he used to be a passionate, fiery weirdo. now he's just a spaced out, lost, zombie-like, emotionless, going through the motions weirdo- and he's been that way for a couple years- not like it just happened overnight or because of this season.
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« Reply #296 on: November 17, 2020, 11:48:00 AM »
after the bad loss to Wisconsin,  were I the AD I'd have told Jim he was going to resign at the end of the season.  If he wanted to keep his job he needed to win out, beating the Buckeyes
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« Reply #297 on: November 17, 2020, 11:49:31 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on November 15, 2020, 01:30:02 PM
Not really. It’s only happened a handful of times. Charles Rogers & Demar Dorsey, are the only ones I can remember having issues being admitted.

The one problem they have sometimes is recruits want to be guaranteed admission to their business school- and they can’t do that. Notre Dame does this- and Michigan has lost more than a couple to ND bc of this.
Honestly, I see this as somewhat silly.  I get the reasoning.  Michigan assumes, probably correctly, that their recruited athletes probably can't compete in the Business College with real students who have 400+ higher scores on their SAT's.  Why not let them in, then push them out when they can't hack it?  I assume that is what ND does.  
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #298 on: November 17, 2020, 11:51:28 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on November 17, 2020, 11:45:51 AM
dude is a lost cause. you can tell every time he has a press conference the last 2 years at least that he's just completely not into it anymore. he used to be a passionate, fiery weirdo. now he's just a spaced out, lost, zombie-like, emotionless, going through the motions weirdo- and he's been that way for a couple years- not like it just happened overnight or because of this season.
In Harbaugh's defense, and I mean this in all seriousness, I think most or all of the successful coaches at this level are weird.  You are talking about a job that probably half the guys in America would LOVE to have.  You can't succeed against that much competition as a normal guy.  You've got to be a little strange one way or another.  
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #299 on: November 17, 2020, 11:52:23 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 17, 2020, 11:48:00 AM
after the bad loss to Wisconsin,  were I the AD I'd have told Jim he was going to resign at the end of the season.  If he wanted to keep his job he needed to win out, beating the Buckeyes
Ohio State is going to murder Michigan. It will not be close. There is nothing no one can do. This team has quit on Harbaugh, they have zero faith in him, and they have no fight. And there is a huge lack of talent rearing it's ugly head on defense- and that's because Don Brown is an absolutely god awful recruiter. The guys who recruited all that talent on Michigan's defenses from 2015-2019 were Greg Mattison and Chris Partridge. They are both gone.

You can't base someone keeping/losing their job on one or two games. You have to look at the trends and forecast things out. Jim has been trending down for awhile. He's not the same guy he used to be. He's worn out his welcome. Time for a change. 
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« Reply #300 on: November 17, 2020, 11:55:38 AM »
well, in telling Jim this we would both know that the expectation was impossible and to get his things in order because the end was near.

the lack of defense is the strangest thing to me.  Harbaugh and his QBs have been limiting the offense since he was hired, but the defense was always stout as hell.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #301 on: November 17, 2020, 12:01:42 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on November 15, 2020, 03:57:22 PM
Am I in the minority that thinks Harbaugh is going nowhere.  UM won’t fire him.  He won’t leave on his own.  ??
I definitely think it is a possibility but the 49-11 loss to Wisconsin makes that less likely.  Losing would be one thing, being totally non-competitive is another.  

A few pages ago I posted a list of all of Harbaugh's (then) 20 losses as HC at Michigan.  He is now at 21 but assuming that IU and UW finish this season ranked 20 of the 21 will have been to teams that finish ranked.  

If Harbaugh finishes this season at .500 or better I think he has a pretty good  chance to keep his job even if they do force him to replace coordinators or somesuch.  My thinking is that he is 1-3 now with four (assuming no cancellations) games to go.  In order to get to 4-4 he would have to do one of the following:
  • Beat all three of Rutgers, Penn State, and Maryland.  In this case he would finish this season with 22 total losses but 21 of those would be to teams that finished that season ranked.  Or
  • Beat two of three of RU, PSU, and UMD plus beat Ohio State.  In this case he might have a second loss to a team that finished unranked but he would also have a win over Ohio State.  Or
  • Beat all four of his remaining opponents.  This would represent a spectacular comeback and give fans a lot of hope for next season.  Or
  • Finish 2-0 with two cancellations to end up 3-3 overall.  Or
  • Finish 3-0 with one cancellation to end up 4-3 overall.  



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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #302 on: November 17, 2020, 12:03:23 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 17, 2020, 11:55:38 AM
the lack of defense is the strangest thing to me.  Harbaugh and his QBs have been limiting the offense since he was hired, but the defense was always stout as hell.
defense was stout vs teams that couldn't match up. That was 99% of the time. The 1% of the time they played teams with equal or better talent/scheme- they got absolutely shredded.

Don Brown's scheme is this- man to man across the board- this means putting even LB'ers in man coverage on RB's/WR's/TE's and Safeties in man coverage on slot WR's/Flex TE's- and blitzing every other down. Very easy scheme to identify and beat if you spread them out and have a QB that can identify a blitz and throw moderately accurately down the field and WR's/TE's/RB's that can run.

Look at Don Brown v OSU with Haskins/Fields or PSU 2017. His defenses got shredded and he never even tried to adjust. I still have flashbacks of Mike McCray- a MLB that is 6'4, 240 and runs a 4.9+ in the 40- getting burnt deep on a go route for a TD in man to man coverage by Saquon Barkley. That is stupid scheme and personnel match-up- anyway you want to slice it.

This year- they have zero of that high-level NFL talent on the field on defense. And they are getting ripped by everybody- not just teams with elite offenses.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #303 on: November 17, 2020, 12:12:24 PM »
Does one need to be a Wolverine in order to be a "Michigan man"? Or does any collegiate coaching experience within that state qualify? 

Nick Saban, Brian Kelly, PJ Fleck, Mark Dantonio, Butch Jones, etc. 
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #304 on: November 17, 2020, 12:19:00 PM »
I think Harbaugh's biggest missteps have been the white road pants and darkening the blue to near-black.  
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #305 on: November 17, 2020, 12:26:21 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 17, 2020, 12:19:00 PM
I think Harbaugh's biggest missteps have been the white road pants and darkening the blue to near-black. 
his biggest missteps have been allowing Mattison/Partridge to leave and meddling in the offense too much. 

He should've done whatever it took to keep his two best recruiters. He should've also made sure to keep Devin Bush Sr. around as well. Devin Bush Sr was a rising recruiting star- and how do you win on this level? You recruit top high school talent, develop it, and keep it around. Attrition will kill a program. It's starting to kill Michigan right now.

And Harbaugh hasn't ever given up control of the offense completely. He absolutely needed to do that Day 1. He didn't, and still hasn't.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #306 on: November 17, 2020, 12:27:48 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on November 17, 2020, 11:30:54 AM
Rashan Gary actually came close to coming back to Michigan. He loved the school and campus and getting a degree was important to him and especially his mother. He left early for the draft because he couldn't stand Harbaugh. Neither could his mother by the way.
Gary may have loved the school/campus/program but he didn' like studying to get that degree
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #307 on: November 17, 2020, 12:28:46 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on November 17, 2020, 12:27:48 PM
Gary may have loved the school/campus/program but he didn' like studying to get that degree
He didn't like Jim Harbaugh. Neither did his mother. 
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