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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #266 on: November 16, 2020, 10:24:41 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on November 15, 2020, 08:17:17 PM
Lol. They are also some of the most valuable real estate markets in the world- and Stephen Ross is UM's biggest donors- and also happens to be one of the largest real estate developers in the world. He owns/develops hi-rise buildings in Manhattan & Miami.


Yes but it's all desperate speculation. A guy developing high rise space in Manhattan is somehow going to care enough about sports to personally hand over $10 million/year to Urban Meyer, the guy who won't even say "Michigan." And burns out every five years anyway. If this is realistic talk, isn't Larry Page a Michigan grad? Have him manipulate Google's "algorithm" to create some sort of alternate online reality where Michigan beats Ohio State every once in a while.

In reality, this COVID season is the perfect year for Michigan to have a bad enough year to force Harbaugh to replace his coordinators. Let South Carolina be the idiots who expensively fire their numnutz coach with four years left on contract. If Michigan isn't any better next season, then lets talk about a post-Harbaugh future. And while we're at it, this season's solution to Ohio State is to come up with a COVID tracing scenario that gets Michigan out of facing another beatdown.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #267 on: November 16, 2020, 10:42:06 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 16, 2020, 09:47:55 AM
I mean, neither guy has been able to beat Ohio State, so there's that. The difference is expectations, and I think in the case of Michigan, they are not realistic.
Exactly. I fully expected PC to keep Wisconsin Wisconsin. Familiarity with the administration, the recruiting scene, and offered full continuity of the offensive style and "identity". He's done that.

Michigan fans wanted a savior of the program. A "Michigan Man" to lead them to the promised land (CFP/NC). Up until this year, he's been pretty good but he hasn't provided on his expectations. 
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #268 on: November 16, 2020, 10:49:56 AM »
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« Reply #269 on: November 16, 2020, 10:50:47 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 16, 2020, 09:06:12 AM
Jim Harbaugh and Paul Chryst were hired at the same time.

Lots of people questioned the PC hire. Everyone raved about the JH hire.
this is why every coaching hire is a crap shoot

Paul could have been a failure, but he wasn't.
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« Reply #270 on: November 16, 2020, 10:55:23 AM »
where would we be had each taken the opposite job? (Harbaugh at Wisconsin vs Crist at Michigan. )
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« Reply #271 on: November 16, 2020, 10:55:59 AM »
possibly the same spot
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« Reply #272 on: November 16, 2020, 12:11:37 PM »
Edward Zachary. 
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #273 on: November 16, 2020, 12:19:09 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on November 16, 2020, 10:55:23 AM
where would we be had each taken the opposite job? (Harbaugh at Wisconsin vs Crist at Michigan. )
Record-wise, PC has won .771 overall and .782 in the B1G.
Harbaugh's at .695 and .688 in-conference.

UM fans wouldn't be any happier, though, because they're not in the West.  They still wouldn't have 3 division titles UW has, because of OSU.

They'd probably just be more frustrated.
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« Reply #274 on: November 16, 2020, 12:44:16 PM »
PC and Co. have proven able to develop at a high level. Throw in those higher recruiting rankings, and I think you'd see PC doing better in Madison.

King Barry learned his lesson with Andersen. No way he'd hire a loon like JH.
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« Reply #275 on: November 16, 2020, 01:21:35 PM »
sometimes the 4 and 5 stars don't want to develop.  They don't have a chip on their shoulder.

I feel that some guys are better at coaching 2 and 3 stars and some guys are better at motivating 4 and 5 stars
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #276 on: November 16, 2020, 02:00:30 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 16, 2020, 01:21:35 PM
sometimes the 4 and 5 stars don't want to develop.  They don't have a chip on their shoulder.

I feel that some guys are better at coaching 2 and 3 stars and some guys are better at motivating 4 and 5 stars
I agree completely.  The skill-set of developing 2* and 3* guys into great players is not exactly the same as the skill-set of getting 5* guys to play like the great players that everybody already thinks they are.  Just because you are good at one (either one) doesn't mean you'd be good at the other.  Conversely, just because you are bad at one (either one) doesn't mean you would be bad at the other.  
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« Reply #277 on: November 16, 2020, 02:06:33 PM »
5* kids (while not common) redshirt in Madison, so they can develop.
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« Reply #278 on: November 16, 2020, 02:08:55 PM »
yup, they have a certain culture there.

the 5 star that signs with the Badgers hasn't been lied to and knows what he's getting into.

a season or 2 of development
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #279 on: November 16, 2020, 02:17:04 PM »
And he'd probably have that same culture at Michigan.

He might not have the following assistance though:

Joe Rudolph
Jim Leonhard
Jon Budmayr
Mickey Turner
Many others in staff roles

They are all UW grads, along with PC. I will say that Rudy and Buds were with him at Pitt, so maybe??
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