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Mdot21

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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #210 on: November 13, 2020, 01:41:14 PM »
I'd look at the following guys, in this order.

1) Joe Brady, Carolina Panthers OC. 31 years old, college coaching experience at William & Mary, Penn State, and LSU. Sean Payton disciple who specializes in passing game/QB's.

2) Brian Daboll, Buffalo Bills OC. 45 years old, college coaching experience at William & Mary, MSU, and Alabama. Belichik and Saban disciple who has worked wonders for Josh Allen- and really developed him into a QB that looks like he could take his team to the playoff and be a legit MVP candidate.

3) Kellen Moore, Dallas Cowboys OC. 32 years old, one of the all-time, record setting college QB's, no college coaching experience- but his offenses in the NFL are known for their creativity and puts up huge #'s. Never had the talent or size as a player- but his mind and knowledge of game was supreme- which is what made him great as a college player.

I'd go after one of those guys. And then I think I'd go bring Greg Mattison as Co-DC and give him a huge pay raise and then hire Chris Partridge as Co-DC- and let those guys build a staff together. 

Michigan's downfall on defense was losing Mattison and Partridge. Mattison was their 2nd best recruiter behind Partridge- and he developed all those DL recruits into solid players- guys like Frank Clark (2nd rd pick- would've been 1st if not for assault charge/program dismissal) Chris Wormley (3rd rd pick), Taco Charlton (1st rd pick), Chase Winovich (2nd rd pick), Mo Hurst (5th rd pick- blows my mind he went this late- he shoulda been a 1st rd pick), and Ryan Glasgow (4th rd pick). And Partridge was the primary recruiter all of their top rated recruits like 5* Rashan Gary (1st rd), 4* Devin Bush (1st rd), 4* CB David Long (3rd rd pick), 5* Aubrey Solomon (transferred), 5* Chris Hinton (still a young pup), 5* Dax Hill (still a young pup), 4* Ambry Thomas (will def be drafted- just don't know where). 

Don Brown is getting exposed without a guy to develop DL like Mattison can, and without a guy to recruit future NFL draft picks like Chris Partridge can. When Brown goes against offensive teams with equal or more talent to what his defense has- he gets exposed- because he can't scheme. His scheme sucks. This is his scheme: man to man across the board and blitz every down! 

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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #211 on: November 13, 2020, 02:07:35 PM »
(4) five stars

how many nationally?  How many in Texas?
For the 2021 class, the state of FL has 7 players ranked 5*'s- but that's because of that IMG Sports Agents Academy that has 3 kids that are ranked 5*'s in 2021. One of those 3 kids rated 5*'s at IMG is actually from Miami though- 5* WR Jacorey Brooks.

So the region of South Florida alone has FIVE 5* kids. That's insane.

The other two IMG 5*'s aren't even from Florida- 5* QB JJ McCarthy is originally from Illinois, and 5* OT JC Latham is originally from Wisconsin. Both of them transferred to IMG strictly just to play on a super team, get better coaching, and enroll in college early. 

Texas as a state has four 5* kids. Florida as a state (bc of IMG) has seven 5* kids. And the South Florida area alone has FIVE 5* kids.

There are 31 5*'s nationally in the 247Composite (a composite ranking of all the major recruiting websites). South Florida has 5 of them.

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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #212 on: November 13, 2020, 02:53:11 PM »
I was with you until you said Pelini was a good ambassador and well liked.  I'm not a Nebraska fan, but is that really true?  Maybe you meant to say Frank Solich?
Was referring to Richt. I was saying JH is a weirdo and Pelini was an asshole, so neither will get the leash Richt got. 

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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #213 on: November 13, 2020, 03:01:30 PM »
The state of FL provides big, fast, scary defensive linemen for teams in the south and skill position talent for the entire country.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #214 on: November 13, 2020, 03:30:01 PM »
Ohio St has scooped a couple Boza bros
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #215 on: November 13, 2020, 03:34:54 PM »
Ohio St has scooped a couple Boza bros
Ohio St has been living off 5* and 4* FL kids ever since Urban got there.

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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #216 on: November 13, 2020, 04:43:11 PM »
I think the issue is that you're paying Jim Harbaugh to get you to the CFP, not just beat OSU. To do that, 2 losses is too many. He's had two regular season losses in EVERY year at Michigan.

If he was getting to the game quite often at 11-0 and just losing to insanely good OSU teams, it might be one thing. But here's what he's had coming in to each Game:


  • 2015: 9-2
  • 2016: 10-1
  • 2017: 8-3
  • 2018: 10-1
  • 2019: 9-2

Beating OSU in 2016 or 2018 might have been enough to get into the CFP, but in the three other years, beating OSU and winning the CCG wouldn't have gotten them in.
There is no "might" about it:
  • In 2016 Michigan went into The Game 10-1 (as you pointed out) and ranked #3 (AP) while tOSU was 10-1 and #2.  Had Michigan won they would have finished tied with PSU for the B1G-E title and gone to the CG based on their H2H win (in an absolute blowout) over the Nittany Lions.  Michigan was #5 at the time of the B1GCG and that was AFTER losing to Ohio State.  With a win they'd have played Wisconsin in the CG.  Wisconsin was 10-2 and ranked #6 but if Michigan had defeated tOSU then Wisconsin may have jumped tOSU to move up to #5 and Michigan would have been #2.  They OBVIOUSLY would have made the playoff with wins in The Game and the B1GCG.  I'll also add that they only BARELY lost that game in double OT by a few millimeters.  
  • In 2018 Michigan went into The Game 10-1 and ranked #4 (AP) while tOSU was 10-1 and #10.  Had Michigan won they would have won the B1G-E outright as their only previous loss was OOC to a very good Notre Dame team.  That would have gotten them a B1GCG against a Northwestern team that was 8-4, barely ranked, and that Michigan had already beaten in Evanston.  Again, they OBVIOULY would have made the playoff with wins in The Game and the B1GCG.  

Note also that Michigan had already defeated the B1G-W Champion in both 2016 (14-7 at home over UW) and 2018 (20-17 on the road over NU).  If they weren't bashing into the Buckeye juggernaut every year they would have at least two B1GCG appearances and a CFP appearance for each year that they won the B1GCG.  


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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #217 on: November 13, 2020, 06:02:18 PM »
Sounds like my "ifs" for the Dawgs over the years, but reality is they didn't make it.

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« Reply #218 on: November 13, 2020, 09:54:14 PM »
If you take away all of OSU's TDs on Offense, Defense and Special Teams, Harbaugh wins all those games handily. 
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #219 on: November 14, 2020, 07:50:53 AM »
BB gotta admit the 2016 Game was close and Spreight threw 2 picks right at Buckeyes.But Hoke recruited that team and JH recruited Spreight
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #220 on: November 14, 2020, 10:07:10 AM »
Georgia almost beat Alabama three times too of late and led at the half this year.


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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #221 on: November 14, 2020, 10:48:06 AM »
gotta admit those games were close
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #222 on: November 14, 2020, 11:01:58 AM »
BB gotta admit the 2016 Game was close and Spreight threw 2 picks right at Buckeyes.But Hoke recruited that team and JH recruited Spreight
Hoke recruited Speight.

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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #223 on: November 14, 2020, 11:06:09 AM »
If JH was expected to have a couple CLOSE losses with Ohio State, well, then he's good I suppose.

If he was expected to be in major bowls nearly every year and the playoffs a few times in a decade, ....

 

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