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« Reply #322 on: November 17, 2020, 02:58:12 PM »
He was rated highly by Rivals and ESPN.

247 had him as a 3*, at an 88 ranking. 4* in the composite. Perhaps 247 saw something that others did not.

No offer from OSU, Clemson, Bama, etc.
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« Reply #323 on: November 17, 2020, 03:02:43 PM »
I'm a huge fan of the guys with the giant arms- but only if they have the touch and accuracy to go with it.
I feel like so many NFL GMs get enamored with "arm talent"--which is a horrifically stupid phrase--and focus less on the touch, accuracy, and even more importantly, decision-making of a QB in the draft. 

I assume they think that they can fix everything else but you can't grow a guy a new arm, but how often does it actually work out that way? Seems the NFL is full of draft busts where they pick the guy with the biggest arm and he can't actually operate an offense. 

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« Reply #324 on: November 17, 2020, 03:07:05 PM »
I feel like so many NFL GMs get enamored with "arm talent"--which is a horrifically stupid phrase--and focus less on the touch, accuracy, and even more importantly, decision-making of a QB in the draft.

I assume they think that they can fix everything else but you can't grow a guy a new arm, but how often does it actually work out that way? Seems the NFL is full of draft busts where they pick the guy with the biggest arm and he can't actually operate an offense.

You're 100% right.

Elway, Marino, Aikman, Favre, and in todays game Stafford, Mahomes, and Josh Allen have the insane arms. But for every guy like that- there's 20 more who had big arms and never did anything and or were picked high and busts.

Arm strength is just a cherry on top. It can't be what makes you. The accuracy, touch, pocket presence, anticipation/throwing guys open, decision making and toughness way more important to be elite in all those categories than have a live arm.

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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #325 on: November 17, 2020, 03:10:37 PM »
I feel like so many NFL GMs get enamored with "arm talent"--which is a horrifically stupid phrase--and focus less on the touch, accuracy, and even more importantly, decision-making of a QB in the draft.

I assume they think that they can fix everything else but you can't grow a guy a new arm, but how often does it actually work out that way? Seems the NFL is full of draft busts where they pick the guy with the biggest arm and he can't actually operate an offense.
Get ready to see Troubleinsky back on the field for the Bears.
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« Reply #326 on: November 17, 2020, 03:15:42 PM »
He was rated highly by Rivals and ESPN.

247 had him as a 3*, at an 88 ranking. 4* in the composite. Perhaps 247 saw something that others did not.

No offer from OSU, Clemson, Bama, etc.
Rivals and ESPN rated him a 4* because he was 6'6", 240 lbs, ran 4.6-4.7 and could throw a football literally 90+ yards and probably had the strongest arm of any QB in the last few recruiting cycles. Rated him all based on a physical skills and projection. In his 3-year high school varsity career playing QB he completed 47% of his passes for 35 TD's vs. 19 INT's. This isn't great. 247 was right. And I've said from the start I was unsure about Milton- just because he needed so much development as a passer.

OSU, Clemson, Bama pick whoever they want. Bama had just signed 5* Tua class before, Clemson just signed 5* Trevor Lawrence in 2018, and Ohio State wound up getting 5* Justin Fields to transfer in. If Michigan landed any one of those QB's- doubt they would've taken Milton too.

Florida, LSU, Georgia, Tennessee, and Miami all offered him. So it's not like he didn't have any offers from P5.

If he wants to play QB- he needs to transfer immediately and find a program that will really develop him and take him in. If he wants to stay at Michigan- I'd move him to DE.

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« Reply #327 on: November 17, 2020, 03:16:41 PM »
Get ready to see Troubleinsky back on the field for the Bears.
Bears should've signed Cam Newton for $1 million, cut Trash-binsky and kept Foles as the back-up to Cam.

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« Reply #328 on: November 17, 2020, 03:23:42 PM »
so keep Jim until a week after signing day and then cut him
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« Reply #329 on: November 17, 2020, 03:25:23 PM »
Get ready to see Troubleinsky back on the field for the Bears.
A source told ESPN's Adam Schefter that the initial diagnosis was a hip pointer and that Foles was scheduled for more tests on Tuesday.

Nagy said he doesn't think Foles will need to go on injured reserve, but he did leave the door open to a possible change at quarterback when the Bears come off their bye week.

"When you lose four games in a row, it's all on the table. Everything's out there," Nagy said. "The No. 1 thing with Nick and with Mitch [Trubisky] that we are concerned with right now is to make sure their health is the No. 1 priority. "
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« Reply #330 on: November 17, 2020, 03:46:19 PM »
By the way- it was late and kind of meaningless and Michigan was already down what felt like 100 pts- but it's clear as day to notice the difference when McNamara was in vs Milton.

McNamara can actually throw with touch and accuracy, and looks way more decisive in the pocket going through reads. 
My bold prediction is that he will start at some point this year, not be very good at all and the question will be if he catches a similar level of angst as Milton or if he gets that new starter pass until next year, when he catches the same level of flack. 

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« Reply #331 on: November 17, 2020, 04:12:01 PM »
My bold prediction is that he will start at some point this year, not be very good at all and the question will be if he catches a similar level of angst as Milton or if he gets that new starter pass until next year, when he catches the same level of flack.
Milton struggles reading defenses- which sure fine most young first year QB's do- and the offense/play-calling has been abysmal and done him no favors- but bottom line cold hard fact- Milton cannot accurately throw the football down the field. His accuracy is BAD. And he's just not a legitimate starting caliber B1G QB at the moment. And I've been saying from day one on this board that he was a project- and that Jim Harbaugh was not the guy to convert that project into finished, polished QB. Jim Harbaugh just flat out isn't a QB developer.

Harbaugh has announced he's opening up the starting job to competition, and that McNamara and Milton will split the #1 reps in practice and the winner will get the nod vs Rutgers. My guess is that McNamara will win the job and be the starter going forward.

McNamara will catch flak if he plays bad- that's what happens when you're the QB at Michigan. Period.

McNamara is basically the polar opposite of Joe Milton as HS players/recruits. He has none of Milton's size or physical gifts and probably half the arm strength of Milton if that. McNamara is barely 6 ft tall, just has OK arm strength, isn't really that athletic- but in his 3 years starting in HS he completed 62% of his passes for 129 TD passes vs. 25 INT's. Now call me crazy- but that's A LOT better than Milton's 3-year HS varsity career of 47% of his passes in HS for 35 TD's vs 19 INT's. Call me crazy....but one seems A LOT more accurate/better decision maker than the other.

McCaffrey should've been the guy, but McNamara has to be the guy the rest of the way. If McNamara doesn't get it going the last few games here- have a hard time seeing him being able to hold off JJ McCarthy in 2021.

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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #332 on: November 17, 2020, 04:25:34 PM »
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #333 on: November 17, 2020, 10:46:37 PM »
Milton struggles reading defenses- which sure fine most young first year QB's do- and the offense/play-calling has been abysmal and done him no favors- but bottom line cold hard fact- Milton cannot accurately throw the football down the field. His accuracy is BAD. And he's just not a legitimate starting caliber B1G QB at the moment. And I've been saying from day one on this board that he was a project- and that Jim Harbaugh was not the guy to convert that project into finished, polished QB. Jim Harbaugh just flat out isn't a QB developer.

Harbaugh has announced he's opening up the starting job to competition, and that McNamara and Milton will split the #1 reps in practice and the winner will get the nod vs Rutgers. My guess is that McNamara will win the job and be the starter going forward.

McNamara will catch flak if he plays bad- that's what happens when you're the QB at Michigan. Period.

McNamara is basically the polar opposite of Joe Milton as HS players/recruits. He has none of Milton's size or physical gifts and probably half the arm strength of Milton if that. McNamara is barely 6 ft tall, just has OK arm strength, isn't really that athletic- but in his 3 years starting in HS he completed 62% of his passes for 129 TD passes vs. 25 INT's. Now call me crazy- but that's A LOT better than Milton's 3-year HS varsity career of 47% of his passes in HS for 35 TD's vs 19 INT's. Call me crazy....but one seems A LOT more accurate/better decision maker than the other.

McCaffrey should've been the guy, but McNamara has to be the guy the rest of the way. If McNamara doesn't get it going the last few games here- have a hard time seeing him being able to hold off JJ McCarthy in 2021.
Then I predict you won't be happy with him. 

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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #334 on: November 18, 2020, 01:15:16 AM »
Then I predict you won't be happy with him.
I have a feeling that I'll be a hell of a lot more happy with him than I have been with Joe Milton.

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« Reply #335 on: November 18, 2020, 11:41:04 AM »
well the 2022 stuff is just rumblings so far- but insiders like Sam Webb and Steve Witflong are saying it's looking very good for Michigan right now for a pair of top 10 national players- and the #1 and #3 CB's in the entire country. That is a great news for a team that has literally no playable B1G CB's on their entire roster in 2020. If they were to land 5* CB's Jackson & Johnson- those dudes are starting as a true freshman in 2022.

For the 2021 class they currently have the 9th ranked class in the nation, and have 4* WR Xavier Worthy- maybe the fastest HS player in the entire country coming in- and they also have 5* QB JJ McCarthy- definitely the best QB recruit Harbaugh has ever brought in during his run at Michigan. They are also very much in play for 4* Donovan Edwards, who is nipping at the heels of 5* status, and if his ranking even held he would be the highest rated RB that Harbuagh has brought in yet.

As sick and tired as I am of the guy- maybe just holding course is the only thing they can do at this point.
Michigan's all man coverage all the time defense is actually pretty good when you have elite corners.  Back in 2018 Michigan's Defense looked really good that way up until tOSU and even that was more an issue of depth than anything else.  Ohio State simply had too many good options to throw the ball to and Michigan only had so many good options to cover them with.  Ohio State lit up Michigan because Michigan's LB's and third and fourth DB's weren't good enough to play man coverage against Ohio State's third, fourth, and fifth receiving options.  If they pull in two elite corners and an elite QB then this is probably not a good time for a coaching change.  

 

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