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« Reply #182 on: November 04, 2021, 11:48:59 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on November 04, 2021, 11:35:02 AM
The only coaches in modern Michigan history with winning records against Ohio State have those records ONLY because they were fortunate enough to coach against John Cooper.  
well, if you can't beat 'em ya gotta find a way to get 'em to hire a Cooper

it's a derned rivalry - no excuses
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« Reply #183 on: November 04, 2021, 11:54:21 AM »
There is also the Penn St factor now. If all three teams are humming, then each would win approximately 1/3 of the B1G East Titles in a given decade. Plus the B1G West is going to pick one of them off here and there in the CCG. 

The Michigan HC should go all in on beating OSU. Don't talk about getting to Indy or making the Playoffs, just all OSU all the time. If they build a team that can compete with OSU on a regular basis, then the Big Ten titles and Playoff appearances will simply be a byproduct of that. 
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« Reply #184 on: November 04, 2021, 12:09:49 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on November 04, 2021, 11:54:21 AM
The Michigan HC should go all in on beating OSU. Don't talk about getting to Indy or making the Playoffs, just all OSU all the time. If they build a team that can compete with OSU on a regular basis, then the Big Ten titles and Playoff appearances will simply be a byproduct of that.
SHUT-UP-YOU,whose side are you on?let them figure it out,go find your second wife or a Detroit Pizza or something
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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #185 on: November 04, 2021, 12:13:01 PM »
Let's imagine expected success as beating OSU 4 times in ten.  Then you also have to beat Penn State of course and MSU, which might not happen once in a decade when it really counts.  Penn State might win out.  So, you get to the CG 3 times in a decade, and then win half.

It's not easy to win the Big Ten as things stand now.  Expecting to win 4 times a decade or more strikes me as unrealistic.
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« Reply #186 on: November 04, 2021, 12:15:15 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on November 04, 2021, 11:54:21 AM
There is also the Penn St factor now. If all three teams are humming, then each would win approximately 1/3 of the B1G East Titles in a given decade. Plus the B1G West is going to pick one of them off here and there in the CCG.

Pennsylvania State University joined the Big Ten in 1990

30 years and 3 decades, Son

nothing new
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« Reply #187 on: November 04, 2021, 12:15:44 PM »
Nah. Big Ten Titles are easy. National Titles are hard. 
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« Reply #188 on: November 04, 2021, 12:16:32 PM »
that's what the Sooners and the Clemson Tiggers say
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« Reply #189 on: November 04, 2021, 12:18:41 PM »
I've seen some pretty lame OSU teams cruise to a conference title. 

The Conference really doesn't offer up all that much resistance. 
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« Reply #190 on: November 04, 2021, 12:24:56 PM »
that's what the Sooners and the Clemson Tiggers say
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« Reply #191 on: November 04, 2021, 12:29:35 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on November 04, 2021, 12:18:41 PM
The Conference really doesn't offer up all that much resistance.
Ninnies kept it close until late Spartans don't mind whizzing in our wheaties either.I don't see the next 3 games as locks at all
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« Reply #192 on: November 04, 2021, 12:48:36 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 04, 2021, 12:24:56 PM
that's what the Sooners and the Clemson Tiggers say


they are correct. Their conferences don't offer up much resistance either. 
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« Reply #193 on: November 04, 2021, 12:54:29 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on November 04, 2021, 12:29:35 PM
Ninnies kept it close until late Spartans don't mind whizzing in our wheaties either.I don't see the next 3 games as locks at all


Yeah, there's like three or four teams that you have to keep your guard up against.So long as you do that, bang! Big Ten Title.

Now if instead you want to be good enough to avoid getting your pants pulled down in the playoffs, you have to step it up several dozen notches. 
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« Reply #194 on: November 04, 2021, 02:59:59 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on November 04, 2021, 10:32:07 AM
You're f**king joking, right? That is not rational. At all.

Bo Schembechler won 13 league titles in his 21 years at Michigan. Michigan last won 3 B1G titles in a row and they haven't won a B1G title since 2004. That's SEVENTEEN years.

Michigan is 4-10 vs Michigan State in the last 14 games.

Michigan is about to be 2-18 vs Ohio State in the last 20 games.

This is NOT acceptable, period. Michigan should be winning the B1G title every few years, they should be dominating Michigan State, and they should at least able to hold serve with Ohio State. THAT is and always has been the expectation at Michigan.
As @Cincydawg already pointed out, there are no more split titles.  That is a HUMONGOUS difference.  From 1896-2010 there were 167 league Champions in our league in 115 years or almost 1.5 per year.  Starting with 2011 there obviously can only be one Champion per year so the number to go around has dropped by about a third.  
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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #195 on: November 04, 2021, 03:04:10 PM »
I'm just curious about expectations.  I think in a typical year there are 4-5-6 teams with a realistic shot at winning the conference.  So, you need to be one of those teams annually, which is a good objective, and then probability takes over unless you are heads and shoulders above the others.  Michigan can still win the conference this year of course.  It would be ironic if they upset OSU, however unlikely that may seem.
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