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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #140 on: November 03, 2021, 03:32:57 PM »
Tennessee is NEAR good recruiting areas, and as noted have done well in the past.  I doubt many nonlocal five stars give them a thought today.  If they get back to 9-4ish and upset some folks  they might get noticed.  Texas is recruiting pretty well, it's a mystery why they are down, other than the obvious.

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« Reply #141 on: November 03, 2021, 03:35:51 PM »
knock it off crap game
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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #142 on: November 03, 2021, 03:37:47 PM »
Negative waves ....

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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #143 on: November 03, 2021, 03:38:25 PM »
Most coaching changes don't work out for programs intent on winning the NC.  If that is the expectation and goal, most coaches are not going to get there, and even those who do get fired in a few years often as not.  If hiring a new guy is close to random, fine, but why expect the FNG to do better than JH?  Or you keep cycling through until a good one shows up?

By then the program has ceded relevancy.
In my view, if you are Miami/Florida/Georgia/Texas/Ohio State, YES!  Keep cycling through until you get it right.  Those programs have fertile local recruiting grounds which create a floor that isn't THAT bad and their ceiling is NC so if you have a coach not at least in contention for NC's, fire him and try again.  If you get it wrong, try again in a few years.  

IMHO, it is different if you are Tennessee/Michigan/Nebraska.  Those are schools that were all definitely helmets in the 1990's and prior.  Nebraska won NC's in 1994, 1995, and 1997 while Michigan won one in 1997 and Tennessee won the inaugural BCSNC in 1998.  So those three schools won a combined five NC's in the five years from 1994-1998 but they have won a combined zero since.  The closest any of them have been since 1998 was probably Nebraska's BCSNCG loss to Miami and that was all the way back in 2001 in addition to not being a close game.  

For a starker contrast, those three schools won a combined five NATIONAL titles in the five years from 1994-1998 and I'm not sure that they have a combined five league titles since.  I'll check:
  • 0 Tennessee, their last league title was 1998 when they won the NC under Phil Fulmer.  
  • 0 Nebraska, their last league title was in 1999.  That one, along with 1997 were two of the first four B12 titles after the league formed in 1996.  
  • 3 Michigan:  They won Big11Ten titles in 2000, 2003, and 2004.  

So Tennessee, Nebraska, and Michigan which won a combined five NC's in the five years from 1994-1998 have won a combined zero league titles since 2004.  


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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #144 on: November 03, 2021, 03:39:57 PM »
NE corner of Tennessee is closer to Canada than Memphis. 

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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #145 on: November 03, 2021, 03:41:54 PM »
Conversely, if you are Michigan do you expect fans and donors to settle for 11-2 and 10-3 and 9-4 seasons losing to both main rivals?  Most programs would be fine with those win totals.  But if you expect more, well, you have to change coaches, and you risk getting less.

What do Michigan fans logically expect and desire?  An NC every year?  Hopefully not.  A league title every year?  Same, can't be.  Maybe it's a CFP appearance twice a decade?  

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« Reply #146 on: November 03, 2021, 03:43:47 PM »
NE corner of Tennessee is closer to Canada than Memphis.
You sure about that?Through Kentucky,Ohio and half a great lake
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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #147 on: November 03, 2021, 03:51:13 PM »

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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #148 on: November 03, 2021, 03:52:01 PM »
The Canadian border is the same distance as the Florida border.  

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« Reply #149 on: November 03, 2021, 03:55:48 PM »
You sure about that?Through Kentucky,Ohio and half a great lake
Yeah, if you use the NE corner of the state as the axis, and turn it on that axis, then Memphis will be over the  Canadian border. It's a really wide state. 

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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #150 on: November 03, 2021, 03:57:25 PM »
You want to dominate your rival, but in most cases you are only going to beat them about half the time. 

Harbaugh is 3-4 against MSU, and 1-1 vs Notre Dame. 

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« Reply #151 on: November 03, 2021, 04:00:21 PM »
You sure about that?Through Kentucky,Ohio and half a great lake
Yeah, but it is the short way through Kentucky and the short way through Lake Erie.  

Out of curiosity, what program/site did you use to do this?

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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #152 on: November 03, 2021, 04:02:47 PM »
You want to dominate your rival, but in most cases you are only going to beat them about half the time.

Harbaugh is 3-4 against MSU, and 1-1 vs Notre Dame.
WRT Coaching Change decisions the relevant question cannot be about wants, it has to be about expectations and those expectations have to be reasonable.  

I'm an Ohio State fan.  What do I want?  Simple, I want to go undefeated, beat Michigan, win the B1G, and win the NC every year.  

If I were tOSU's AD I'd still WANT that but it obviously isn't a reasonable expectation.  What is . . . 

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« Reply #153 on: November 03, 2021, 04:05:12 PM »
  Out of curiosity, what program/site did you use to do this?
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