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Mdot21

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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #70 on: November 01, 2021, 05:39:35 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 01, 2021, 03:38:05 PM
I wouldn't fire a coach without a pretty good succession plan with options.
Georgia did it and it worked out pretty OK for them. 

This line of thinking is a fallacy. You fire the guy if he's clearly not up to par and you go through the interview process and find a coach. 
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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #71 on: November 01, 2021, 05:43:54 PM »
Brady Hoke is doing a pretty good job at San Diego State, plus he's a Michigan man. O0
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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #72 on: November 01, 2021, 06:13:03 PM »
Georgia had a plan, clearly, a guy in mind who was willing to come.

I don't fire a coach without a plan.
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« Reply #73 on: November 01, 2021, 06:14:36 PM »
sometimes you have a plan and then the plan goes to heck
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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #74 on: November 01, 2021, 06:50:04 PM »
A real plan includes contingency planning as well.  If I look at the landscape and don't see anyone better than what I have who might come, I ain't firing the  guy.

I wonder if interviews really change any decisions.  Maybe there is a personality conflict when the AD meets him.
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« Reply #75 on: November 01, 2021, 07:24:35 PM »
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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #76 on: November 02, 2021, 06:51:42 AM »
Were I an AD, I'd be scared of doing a Tennessee.  It's a downward spiral broken only by a lucky hire at some point.  I think I'd need to have one guy in front of mind and two legit backups before I'd fire a pretty successful HC.  It's too easy to trade off "not good enough" for "much worse".
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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #77 on: November 02, 2021, 08:16:47 AM »
If a coach has to get the axe then he has to.Don't know if people are serious until they actually take time out to dress up,make an appointment and provide a resume' and go thru the interview process.You'll get that when the actual position comes open and candidates know it.
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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #78 on: November 02, 2021, 08:33:29 AM »
I suspect there is a lot of back channel conversations that happen, a coach can signal through his agent he's not interested, might be interested, or interested.

I personally would not fire a half decent coach without a realistic chance of hiring what appears to be an upgrade.  Just jumping in and hoping to me is not a plan.
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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #79 on: November 02, 2021, 08:46:39 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 02, 2021, 08:33:29 AM
I suspect there is a lot of back channel conversations that happen, a coach can signal through his agent he's not interested, might be interested, or interested.

I personally would not fire a half decent coach without a realistic chance of hiring what appears to be an upgrade.  Just jumping in and hoping to me is not a plan.
I would at this point he's smoke and mirrors at a Blue Blood.If I'm on the board of Regents in AA or whatever their equivalent is I'm looking at Nebraska or Tennessee  or even USC.They have to get a decent HC and they are out there.As someone mentione about the coach at UTSA,Harbarbaugh's luster has faded - and hard,he's not a draw or a destination anymore
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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #80 on: November 02, 2021, 08:52:29 AM »
He's also winning 9-10 games a season.  It can get worse.  Ask Tennessee.  A few seasons of that and you fall of the radar of top recruits.

Anyway, it's how I think I'd approach it.  Don't fire half decent and then hire worse.
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« Reply #81 on: November 02, 2021, 09:00:17 AM »
Look at Georgia all of those years with Richt what was it 14-15?At or near the cusp but not getting over.I was a early proponent of letting go Mark Richt go.Nice guy,good family man,neighbor,friend and all of that but his tenure mirrored Coopers in a talent rich state.And given like 4 cycles of players & coaches coming/going.I think that move has reaped a reward for the Dawgs.Talent hasn't been flocking out of the state as much
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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #82 on: November 02, 2021, 09:06:52 AM »
UGA has a major advantage in recruiting over most schools, and Smart is leveraging that no doubt.  I'm still looking at Tennessee, Texas, USC as examples of how this can go south without a plan.

I also came to believe Richt was just too soft in several ways, and that isn't good.  He's being honored at halftime Saturday.
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Re: FIRE HARBAUGH
« Reply #83 on: November 02, 2021, 09:11:36 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 02, 2021, 08:33:29 AM
I suspect there is a lot of back channel conversations that happen, a coach can signal through his agent he's not interested, might be interested, or interested.

I personally would not fire a half decent coach without a realistic chance of hiring what appears to be an upgrade.  Just jumping in and hoping to me is not a plan.
I'd have a helluva strong signal that my target was no doubt taking the job, before firing a 9 win coach

I think Nebraska thought they had that commitment from Houston Nutt's agent when firing Solich and somehow the deal blew up.

my chance of hiring what appears to be an upgrade would much more than simply realistic, because hiring a 3rd or 4th option that fails and takes the program in a worse position is much worse than staying with the 9-win guy until an upgrade can be secured.  Even if it does take a couple seasons
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