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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2019, 02:00:36 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 28, 2019, 01:02:22 PM
In a simple model, let's say a team makes $3 million on a home game and zero on an away game, but they make $1.5 million on a neutral site game.
obviously why there are so many 2 for 1's and paying a cupcake a million for a visit with no return
I understand why the network likes it, they may pay a bit more for the neutral site game, but because the content is golden, they make much more $$$
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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #43 on: January 28, 2019, 02:02:18 PM »
Yup, it begins to make sense.  I recall that in 2017, ESPN had the UGA-Apply State game featured that afternoon, which I thought was perhaps because of the Michigan history, or maybe they didn't have a decent alternative.

If they can show two P5 teams going at it, the TV has to be 2-3-4x.
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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #44 on: January 28, 2019, 03:58:43 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 28, 2019, 10:31:59 AM
This article states the TV rights are the same as for conference games etc.
I just don't get that.  If Ohio State played Georgia in a H&H, the SEC Contract network would get the game in Athens and the B1G Contract network would get the game in Columbus.  So how do we split that baby if Ohio State and Georgia play in Atlanta?  I'm missing something here.  
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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #45 on: January 28, 2019, 04:28:20 PM »
how about 50/50 per conference, regardless of network

doesn't matter if ESPN, FOX, CBS, NBC, or Netflix bids highest for the coverage
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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #46 on: January 28, 2019, 04:42:39 PM »
I don't know how all of the neutral site games work, but using the Texas-UCLA game played at the Dallas Cowboys stadium in Arlington, TX a few years ago-- that was actually a UCLA home game, that they just chose to host in Texas rather than in the Rose Bowl.  So the PAC television contracts covered the game, and Jerry Jones paid them some amount of money from the gate/parking/concessions to entice them to give up a home game and play it in Texas instead.  If I were a UCLA season ticket holder I'd probably be pretty hacked off at that arrangement, but this is the world we live in I suppose.

For TX-OU, the profits from gate/concessions/etc. are split half-and-half, the city of Dallas kicks in additional payments to each team, and obviously since it's an in-conference game, the B12 television contracts govern its broadcast.
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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #47 on: January 28, 2019, 04:56:10 PM »
I'd guess if OSU played UGA in Atlanta in one of these, the TV rights would be part of the contract, and probably split between conferences.

Of course, OSU COULD play UGA in Atlanta under other auspices later in the year.
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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #48 on: January 28, 2019, 08:51:42 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 26, 2019, 08:27:56 AM
I've read several times that these neutral games are a bonanza for the athletic departments.  This is just one more example, and is why programs like these games.

I am guessing CBS would not have dibs on this game, which I also guess will be at night and not at 3:30.


CBS does not have a contract with the SEC for the first two weeks of the season. The TV rights for SEC games that CBS telecasts during those two weeks are leased from ESPN.
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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #49 on: January 28, 2019, 08:57:06 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 26, 2019, 07:20:17 PM
I do not understand the Green Bay thing.  They did it with LSU obviously.  I kinda understand playing one game in some NFL stadium, OK, but two?  Especially when the campuses at Madison and South Bend are so traditional.

It HAS to be money.  And I don't quite understand the financial equation either except to note it MUST be favorable.

A ONE OFF game could be understood as a thing easier to schedule.
The ND-Wisconsin games are not neutral site games. They are off-site ND home games. Called the Shamrock Series. ND has control of ALL of the tickets and NBC has the TV rights. Just as they would if the games were played in South Bend.

"The games against Wisconsin will be the “Shamrock Series” game for Notre Dame for both seasons, Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick stated at the press conference announcing the events."

https://fbschedules.com/notre-dame-wisconsin-schedule-lambeau-soldier-field-football-series/
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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #50 on: January 28, 2019, 09:15:11 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on January 28, 2019, 12:57:08 PM
Because even if they make $3M on the home game, they make nothing on the away game. So if you do two neutral site games, it's financially like having an extra home game. This way neither ND nor Wisconsin has to give up home game revenue. I don't like it, but I understand it.
And the SF family would MUCH rather it were a home-and-home.
Hate to tell you, but these are not neutral site games. Both are off-site ND home games.
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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #51 on: January 28, 2019, 10:12:34 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on January 28, 2019, 04:42:39 PM
I don't know how all of the neutral site games work, but using the Texas-UCLA game played at the Dallas Cowboys stadium in Arlington, TX a few years ago-- that was actually a UCLA home game, that they just chose to host in Texas rather than in the Rose Bowl.  So the PAC television contracts covered the game, and Jerry Jones paid them some amount of money from the gate/parking/concessions to entice them to give up a home game and play it in Texas instead.  If I were a UCLA season ticket holder I'd probably be pretty hacked off at that arrangement, but this is the world we live in I suppose.

For TX-OU, the profits from gate/concessions/etc. are split half-and-half, the city of Dallas kicks in additional payments to each team, and obviously since it's an in-conference game, the B12 television contracts govern its broadcast.
Interesting info about the TV coverage of the UT-UCLA game because the Big 12 TV contract would not allow ND to schedule Big 12 teams in San Antonio in 2009 and Arlington in 2013 in their Shamrock Series. ND wound up scheduling Washington State in San Antonio and Arizona State in Arlington. TV contract must have changed  in 2014 when UT and UCLA played.

Edit: NM, I see that the coverage was by Fox which has both Big 12 and PAC 12 TV rights. NBC, of course, televised the ND games in San Antonio and Arlington.
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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #52 on: January 28, 2019, 10:14:55 PM »
It's a shame that helmet schools are too pussy to come to Madison.
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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #53 on: January 28, 2019, 11:14:08 PM »
lucky for the Badgers that Conference mates, Ohio St., Michigan, and Nebraska, are willing to travel to Madison

The Husker helmet has just been, unfortunately, too pussy to win there
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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #54 on: January 29, 2019, 08:38:23 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on January 28, 2019, 11:14:08 PM
lucky for the Badgers that Conference mates, Ohio St., Michigan, and Nebraska, are willing to travel to Madison

The Husker helmet has just been, unfortunately, too pussy to win there
They have no choice. Don't forget Penn State. They come too. Only OSU regularly wins there, but they beat everybody, everywhere, so...
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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #55 on: January 29, 2019, 09:05:16 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 28, 2019, 04:56:10 PM
Of course, OSU COULD play UGA in Atlanta under other auspices later in the year.
We can hope!
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