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Topic: Finances of Neutral Site Games

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Cincydawg

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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #84 on: January 29, 2019, 02:19:22 PM »
If UGA is willing to schedule Texas, Notre Dame, and Clemson, I doubt they are scared to schedule Wisconsin because of some historic winning percentage.

If they schedule UCLA and Colorado and ASU, I doubt they are scared to travel that many miles.

And losing to any of them is more apt to get a coach fired than losing to a very credible Wisconsin team.

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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #85 on: January 29, 2019, 02:31:48 PM »
Teams like Wisconsin should play all the games they can in CA, TX, and FL for recruiting purposes.  Those you listed are helpful, I was just genuinely wanting to know when/if they had and where, so thanks.  
this is true, but playing a game in Texas one season, then back home the nest, California the following season, then back home, then Florida the following and back home doesn't help much
playing 3 games or more in one of those states in 6 seasons might be helpful
just showing up for one game gets you some exposure in the state, but doesn't really start anything
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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #86 on: January 29, 2019, 02:34:13 PM »
If UGA is willing to schedule Texas, Notre Dame, and Clemson, I doubt they are scared to schedule Wisconsin because of some historic winning percentage.

If they schedule UCLA and Colorado and ASU, I doubt they are scared to travel that many miles.

And losing to any of them is more apt to get a coach fired than losing to a very credible Wisconsin team.
I think that's all correct. So let's make it happen!
Badge's view of what happened in 2008 is consistent with my memory, but we may wear the same tint of Rose [Bowl] colored glasses. Another thing I remember from that year was how appreciative the Fresno State crowd was that Wisconsin hadn't backed out of the game in Fresno (at just about the height of the Pat Hill era). They all thought the Badgers wouldn't end up coming and were happily surprised when they did. It was a fun environment, but I can honestly say that having been to home games at Fresno and at UNLV (not a Badgers game there), teams like Wisconsin should be embarrassed at those teams being even moderately competitive with them. The imbalance in resources is astounding.

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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #87 on: January 29, 2019, 02:37:22 PM »
this is true, but playing a game in Texas one season, then back home the nest, California the following season, then back home, then Florida the following and back home doesn't help much
playing 3 games or more in one of those states in 6 seasons might be helpful
just showing up for one game gets you some exposure in the state, but doesn't really start anything
Wisconsin sure plays in Florida a lot (9 of the last 15 years).

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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #88 on: January 29, 2019, 02:39:34 PM »
that's were you get the pipeline for the RBs, WRs, and DBs
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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #89 on: January 29, 2019, 02:41:09 PM »
There was no contract, but they definitely backed out of the negotiations. ESecPN had the deal brokered, and UW was set to travel to Texas to start 2008, I believe. Dodds wouldn't commit to a return game, so it died.
There was no deal because there was no contract.  There was no contract because of the very reason we've been discussing.
I'm not disagreeing with the sentiment, I'm disagreeing with the thought that a home-and-home was ever going to happen. It wasn't, and it didn't, for precisely the reasons we're outlining.
Minnesota, on the other hand, was a contracted home-and-home series.  Mack Brown agreed to it when his friend Tim Brewster was named the head coach there, but Texas exercised the buyout clause when Brewster was let go.  And like I said, at the time I wished it had been a series with Wisconsin, which to me is a far more desirable opponent, no offense intended to GR or any other Gopher fans around (are there any others?).


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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #90 on: January 29, 2019, 02:43:51 PM »
Several years ago I was at a fundraiser where then WVU AD Ed Pastilong was speaking. He was asked how he decided on who to schedule for H and H OOC games.  This was before neutral site games were as prevalent as they are now.

He said he had three main criteria.

1. Is it a game that would be attractive for tv?

2. Is it an area we want to have a presence in for recruiting purposes?

3. Is there a big alumni base in the area?

The more of those boxes that could be checked the more attractive it was to get a deal done.  Of course the finances have to be right and you have to have a willing dance partner.

If other schools have similar criteria then it might be harder for schools like Wisconsin and Iowa and WVU to get H and H deals.  Those aren’t fertile recruiting grounds and I don’t think there are a lot of Miami grads now living in WV. The same is probably true for Iowa and Wisconsin.

And yeah, there are probably some coaches who would be less than thrilled their AD scheduled them a game at Camp Randall.

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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #91 on: January 29, 2019, 02:46:17 PM »
There was no contract, but they definitely backed out of the negotiations. ESecPN had the deal brokered, and UW was set to travel to Texas to start 2008, I believe. Dodds wouldn't commit to a return game, so it died.
hah, love it
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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #92 on: January 29, 2019, 02:53:33 PM »
hah, love it
Ha!  I knew the pot-stirrer would latch onto that little tidbit of bulljive.
If there was no contract, how can one "back out" of it?  The word "negotiation" by definition means nothing has been resolved, no promises have been made.
Nice try though. :)
If you REALLY want to give Texas a hard time for backing out of something, then there is ample ammunition with the Hawaii game in the 90s, and the Minnesota series in the late 2000s, that Texas certainly did back out of, by paying out the exit clause in the contract.

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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #93 on: January 29, 2019, 03:08:41 PM »
I think a brand name like Texas doesn't really have to play in fertile recruiting grounds to get noticed, nor do any of the Blue Bloods and probably none of the near BBs either.

I do think playing an upper tier P5 team OOC creates interest (duh) and can help recruiting.  If Texas plays in Athens, they might not snag a player from Georgia, but somebody from New Jersey might notice and think it was cool.

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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #94 on: January 29, 2019, 03:14:32 PM »
Ha!  I knew the pot-stirrer would latch onto that little tidbit of bulljive.
If there was no contract, how can one "back out" of it?  The word "negotiation" by definition means nothing has been resolved, no promises have been made.
Nice try though. :)
If you REALLY want to give Texas a hard time for backing out of something, then there is ample ammunition with the Hawaii game in the 90s, and the Minnesota series in the late 2000s, that Texas certainly did back out of, by paying out the exit clause in the contract.
Badger's use of terminology - that's the art of the stir
I just acknowledged it.
he tries to put himself off as innocent - unless he's dealing with Gophers 
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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #95 on: January 29, 2019, 03:16:04 PM »
The Wisconsin series with the Irish makes more sense when it's viewed as ND using two home games for it. ND wants to play neutral site games to expand its TV sets reached. Wisconsin wasn't going to go to South Bend without a return to Madison and ND wasn't going to give up a home game to travel to Madison. Actually, I'm a little surprised that it happened at all as ND certainly doesn't need a bigger footprint in the Midwest and word is BA hasn't been a big ND fan since he was passed over for even consideration when Holtz left South Bend. Presumably, he felt like two games with ND would raise Wisconsin's profile in recruiting, and financially it worked out for the Badgers.

Still trying to figure out if the SFFamily is going to bother going to either (not that it matters, plenty of local alums and fans will fill those stadiums).

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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #96 on: January 29, 2019, 03:17:35 PM »
I think a brand name like Texas doesn't really have to play in fertile recruiting grounds to get noticed, nor do any of the Blue Bloods and probably none of the near BBs either.

I do think playing an upper tier P5 team OOC creates interest (duh) and can help recruiting.  If Texas plays in Athens, they might not snag a player from Georgia, but somebody from New Jersey might notice and think it was cool.
But isn't this sort of what badgerfan is getting at?
Texas and the other helmets don't view a series with Wisconsin as being worth the risk.  Not enough upside, too much downside.  That's why they;re saying it's a p*ssy way to approach things, and I agree with their view of the situation.
I wish things were otherwise.  I'd love to see Texas play a home-and-home with the Badgers because they're a good team, and a roadtrip to Madison would be great-- it's a bucket-list thing for many college football fans.

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Re: Finances of Neutral Site Games
« Reply #97 on: January 29, 2019, 03:19:27 PM »
the folks in and around South Bend that own restaurants, hotels, bars, & gas stations have to feel left out in the cold
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