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Topic: Federal Debt and Deficit

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Gigem

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Re: Federal Debt and Deficit
« Reply #420 on: Today at 08:00:55 AM »
Good point about what drones have conventionally meant. It’s kinda like what a “fighter plane “was in about 1945. Shortly thereafter it became “ fighter jet “. 

Replace drone with Robotic AI weapon.  

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Re: Federal Debt and Deficit
« Reply #421 on: Today at 08:09:12 AM »
I'm not sure what "AI" adds to current capabilities, but possibly it could be less sescetible to countermeasures like chaff and flares and radar interference/jamming.

The use of AI in interpreting passive sonar signatures could be interesting.

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« Reply #422 on: Today at 08:49:24 AM »
Drones are simply unmanned craft.  They can be in the air, water, or overland.  They can be fast or slow.

AI is useful for them in that (eventually) they can become completely autonomous, rather than requiring human control.  This would result in a massive increase in the numbers of, and capabilities of, drones in various forms of warfare.


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« Reply #423 on: Today at 08:56:12 AM »
no comparison to a couple bunker busters on Putin's residence
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Re: Federal Debt and Deficit
« Reply #424 on: Today at 09:09:07 AM »
Missiles and torpedoes have been "completely autonomous" for decades.  I prefer using more specific terms that clarify what is a modern drone as compared with say a Kitchen antiship missile or Mark 48 and even a MIRV.  Even bombs are autonomous and can have "collars" that guide them to a specific target.

A dumb bomb is autonomous in a sense governed by gravity and momentum etc.

To me, a modern "drone" is a flying vehicle guided by GPS or fiber optic or internal sensors at low altitude, though the term can be used more broadly.

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« Reply #425 on: Today at 09:23:48 AM »
It's pretty clear what people are talking about with their usage of the word "drone" in modern times.  If you want to be a pedant and argue about it, feel free.  The rest of us will simply continue to discuss them using the modern context.

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« Reply #426 on: Today at 09:49:26 AM »
It's pretty clear what people are talking about with their usage of the word "drone" in modern times.  If you want to be a pedant and argue about it, feel free.  The rest of us will simply continue to discuss them using the modern context.
I'm not sure if this is directed at me or Cincy.  :smiley_confused1:

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« Reply #427 on: Today at 09:50:13 AM »
both of you
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« Reply #429 on: Today at 10:09:09 AM »
I'm not even sure how we got to this point in the discussion....I suppose when I suggested that aircraft carriers were obsolete.  

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« Reply #430 on: Today at 10:26:50 AM »
I'm not even sure how we got to this point in the discussion....I suppose when I suggested that aircraft carriers were obsolete. 
For what it's worth, I agree with this.  I think at some point in the relatively near future, a concentrated and overwhelming drone attack of many thousands of drones at a time, is precisely how carriers will be taken out.  Overwhelm the air defenses with so many targets that some will inevitably get through.

This is exactly how drone attacks have been successful against air defenses in the Russia/Ukraine war, and those are two countries that are dramatically underfunded compared to others in the world right now.

Edited to add: And that's not even counting the naval drones that are in use and being developed.  A combination of a huge number of air-based and water-based drones is likely to eventually overwhelm the defenses of a carrier or other ship. 
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Re: Federal Debt and Deficit
« Reply #431 on: Today at 10:52:18 AM »
I'm just trying to define my definition of a drone, it need not be everyone's.  

A problem with massive drone attacks on a carrier is range.  The carrier could be 700 miles offshore and be effective, so you'd need a large ship to approach to within range of the drones to intercept it, which is possible in peace time.  You could also launch from cargo transport aircraft like a C-130, but only in peace time.  Submarines already carry "drones", we call them torpedoes usually.  They can be wire guided up to terminal range.  

"That torpedo did not self destruct, and I was never here."

It's an interesting thought exercise, I imagine navies wargame such things, maybe using "AI".




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Re: Federal Debt and Deficit
« Reply #432 on: Today at 10:55:27 AM »
Never Saw It Coming: Drones Could Someday Sink U.S. Navy Warships - 19FortyFive

One year ago, retired US Navy admiral James Stavridis described drone attacks on naval vessels as a seminal moment in military history, like Agincourt or Pearl Harbor. “As cheap drones go to sea in [increasingly] serious numbers, expensive manned surface warships will be threatened.”

5 Ways to Sink a U.S. Navy Aircraft Carrier - The National Interest

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