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Mdot21

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Re: Fastest player(s) in your program's history
« Reply #70 on: August 13, 2019, 05:58:03 PM »
Ok. This is insane. This is a 9 1/2 minute highlight tape from the NFL of all of Randy Moss' 40+ yard touchdown catches. How many WR's in the history of the NFL have that many 40+ yard touchdown catches? Jesus. 9 1/2 minutes worth of 40+ yard touchdown bombs. I love me some Jerry Rice, but man on second thought this Randy vs Jerry debate is a lot closer than people want to admit. Myself included. Jerry has the production and rings, but man Randy is the most electrifying, most gifted receiver I have ever seen. Randy also didn't get to play for the great Bill Walsh and with Steve Young and Joe Montana as his QB for 99% of his career like Rice did.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q7lGl_EfbE
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Re: Fastest player(s) in your program's history
« Reply #71 on: August 13, 2019, 06:02:48 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on August 13, 2019, 04:46:50 PM
great post.

Barry Sanders was probably no better than a 4.4 in a straight line. He was definitely fast in a straight line. But nowhere near the fastest guy in a straight line. Deion or Bo or Randy Moss or Darrell Green were a good deal faster than Barry in a straight line.

It was Barry's ability to stop and start and change directions and then accelerate almost instantly to full speed while changing direction that was completely unparalled in the history of the sport. Barry Sanders was A LOT harder to stop when the football was in his hands than any of these guys who were faster than him in a straight line. As exciting as Deion was with the ball in his hands- he never came close to Barry. Barry to this day is the most exciting athlete I've ever seen play sports. I'd rather watch him run the ball than any other athlete in any sport do anything. To this day I have never seen anyone do the remarkable so often and just make it look ordinary. What a treat it was to watch that man run the football.
Rondale Moore for Purdue has reportedly been clocked at a 4.33. But that's not remotely what makes him so exciting.

It's his Barry-like legs. Barry had gigantic legs. Rondale Moore does too. There's a video of him before his freshman season squatting 600#. Pretty good for a 5'9" 180# guy...

His ability to stop and start on a dime is ridiculous, and his strength to fight off tacklers is absurd for someone his size. And you can't get an angle on him, because his ability to change speed will make you miss.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E7kC2doyYQ
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Re: Fastest player(s) in your program's history
« Reply #72 on: August 13, 2019, 06:18:17 PM »
Since things went well for me in 98....  here's the 99 Viking/Cowgirl game


Randy Moss 4 yard pass from Jeff George

Randy Moss 47 yard pass from Jeff George


a better day for Prime Time
Deion did play that day.  6 tackles


The Vikings beat the Cowboys for the 3rd straight season in 2000, but Deion had jumped to the Skins.  Vikes didn't play the Skins in 2000.
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Re: Fastest player(s) in your program's history
« Reply #73 on: August 13, 2019, 06:30:41 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on August 13, 2019, 06:02:48 PM
Rondale Moore for Purdue has reportedly been clocked at a 4.33. But that's not remotely what makes him so exciting.

It's his Barry-like legs. Barry had gigantic legs. Rondale Moore does too. There's a video of him before his freshman season squatting 600#. Pretty good for a 5'9" 180# guy...

His ability to stop and start on a dime is ridiculous, and his strength to fight off tacklers is absurd for someone his size. And you can't get an angle on him, because his ability to change speed will make you miss.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E7kC2doyYQ
he's a special player. no doubt about it. perfect fit for that scheme.

I think DPJ is probably a more talented receiver physically, 6'2+, 208+ vs 5'9ish, 180ish, but Moore is the best receiver in the leauge.
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Re: Fastest player(s) in your program's history
« Reply #74 on: August 13, 2019, 06:59:01 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on August 13, 2019, 06:30:41 PM
he's a special player. no doubt about it. perfect fit for that scheme.

I think DPJ is probably a more talented receiver physically, 6'2+, 208+ vs 5'9ish, 180ish, but Moore is the best receiver in the leauge.
I don't watch other teams enough to rate players. Obviously Moore has his limits. He's not going to go 1 on 1 with a DB for a jump ball. Heck, despite his speed he's not really a "stretch the field" guy. 

But I think he's the most electric player I've ever seen in a Purdue uniform. Dorien Bryant was pretty darn good. Kory Sheets was pretty darn good. Vinny Sutherland was FAST. They were all great players for Purdue.

But Rondale Moore does things that you just look at and ask "how did he do that?" And so many of those things are related to balance, agility, lower leg strength, making people miss, etc. Which is why I brought him up in relation to Barry Sanders. There are bits of watching him that remind me of what Sanders could do. 
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Re: Fastest player(s) in your program's history
« Reply #75 on: August 13, 2019, 07:11:10 PM »
a - I have 4.37 in my head for Barry Sanders' 40 time...don't ask where I got it from.  I don't recall.





b - Moss = Bolt
When the taller/longer guy has the coordination and agility of the shorter/smaller guy, he is simply better.  




c - I've heard stories of both Sanders and Emmitt having trouble finding pants that fit growing up, because their thighs were abnormally large for their waist size.
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Re: Fastest player(s) in your program's history
« Reply #76 on: August 13, 2019, 07:12:48 PM »
Emmitt had zero talent.  His only skill was gaining a lot of yards.
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« Reply #77 on: August 13, 2019, 08:17:11 PM »
I went to high school the same time did Moss did in WV.  Our schools were less than an hour from each other but never played each other in football.  He did come to our school a couple of times for track meets.  He was just from another planet athletically.  In the 200 meter races he would intentionally loaf down the track the first 100 meters and be in last place and when he came around the curve he would smack his hip like a jockey whipping a horse and end up winning by 10+ meters.

I used to work with a guy who played against him in high school.  In fact, he was a CB who had to cover him and actually was a part of a Class AA state championship team (Moss played Class AAA) so they had some good players in their own right.  He said you couldn’t put enough guys on Moss to stop him.  He’d either find a way to beat the deepest safety waiting on him or if you somehow kept him in front of you they would just throw jump balls to him and he’d go up and get them while the mortals covering him helplessly flailed at his chest and shoulders.
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Re: Fastest player(s) in your program's history
« Reply #78 on: August 14, 2019, 09:43:22 PM »
Moss' long TD vs Army on a WR screen makes him look like a cartoon or something.  The long, white socks and taped shoes do it, I think.  Also, he was skinny AF.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOYH6PPYaPI
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Re: Fastest player(s) in your program's history
« Reply #79 on: August 15, 2019, 03:45:35 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on August 13, 2019, 11:43:24 AM
Jerry Rice is the ultimate example of this. Rice ran a 4.59 at the NFL combine according to Bill Walsh himself. While that's not a terrible 40 time for a WR, it's not exactly a great time either. Jerry Rice rarely if ever got caught from behind in the open field and he was pretty much always open deep. Rice is the greatest receiver to ever play the game by a wide margin. And he didn't have that 4.2/4.3 speed. He just played faster than everyone else.

Wide margin is going a little too far.  Randy Moss certainly belongs in the discussion.

And fastest player for the Gophers?  I'd guess that honor would go to Jalen Myrick.  D back for the Gophers from a few years back.  Posted a 4.28 40 at the 2017 NFL Combine.  Fastest time ever by a Big Ten player at the combine.  Was drafted in the seventh round by Jacksonville, but didn't catch on.

I'm surprised that Maroney only ran a 4.47.
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Re: Fastest player(s) in your program's history
« Reply #80 on: August 15, 2019, 03:53:35 PM »
Quote from: RestingB!tchFace on August 15, 2019, 03:45:35 PM
Wide margin is going a little too far.  Randy Moss certainly belongs in the discussion.
yeah, I think you're right. Jerry's stats are just absolutely insane. He's so far ahead of the #2 WR in every statistical category that it's a joke. He's also got 3 Super Bowl rings, and he put up huge numbers in all 3 of those games. He was a huge factor in why the 49ers won those Super Bowls.

Randy Moss was clearly the most talented WR that has ever played the game of football. He is also clearly the most electrifying WR that's ever played the game of football. I have been fighting with ths one. It is a lot harder to judge than I had previously stated.
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Re: Fastest player(s) in your program's history
« Reply #81 on: August 15, 2019, 04:42:01 PM »
Moss wasn't always motivated

Rice was ALWAYS motivated

Rice had an offensive genius as his coordinator
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Re: Fastest player(s) in your program's history
« Reply #82 on: August 15, 2019, 05:35:15 PM »
don hutson deserves a mention for greatest wr in nfl history. from sheer talent, probably not, but from his importance to the game and his dominance vs his peers, he definitely should. he's still top 10 in career rec tds. he literally created routes, and held 18 nfl records when he retired. he still owns 9 of those records. and that just tip of iceberg of his accolades.
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Re: Fastest player(s) in your program's history
« Reply #83 on: August 15, 2019, 05:54:41 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 13, 2019, 07:12:48 PM
Emmitt had zero talent.  His only skill was gaining a lot of yards.

Smith benefited from playing behind one of the best offensive lines in NFL history.  But he's got the numbers.
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