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Re: Fastest player(s) in your program's history
« Reply #42 on: August 13, 2019, 11:35:06 AM »
As noted before, some players have "track speed" but not "field speed", in pads and cleats, and they might not be as mobile as others.

Terry Hoage was slow as molasses but played a pretty solid safety in his day.+

https://www.valdostadailytimes.com/sports/column-ex-bulldog-hoage-a-man-of-many-interests/article_82b4b698-e325-55ac-b18f-78bbe9233a6a.html



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Re: Fastest player(s) in your program's history
« Reply #43 on: August 13, 2019, 11:43:24 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 13, 2019, 11:35:06 AM
As noted before, some players have "track speed" but not "field speed", in pads and cleats, and they might not be as mobile as others.

Terry Hoage was slow as molasses but played a pretty solid safety in his day.+

https://www.valdostadailytimes.com/sports/column-ex-bulldog-hoage-a-man-of-many-interests/article_82b4b698-e325-55ac-b18f-78bbe9233a6a.html
Jerry Rice is the ultimate example of this. Rice ran a 4.59 at the NFL combine according to Bill Walsh himself. While that's not a terrible 40 time for a WR, it's not exactly a great time either. Jerry Rice rarely if ever got caught from behind in the open field and he was pretty much always open deep. Rice is the greatest receiver to ever play the game by a wide margin. And he didn't have that 4.2/4.3 speed. He just played faster than everyone else.
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Re: Fastest player(s) in your program's history
« Reply #44 on: August 13, 2019, 11:45:33 AM »
I see A. J. Green ran a 4.50 40.

Maybe some other things are also important.
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Re: Fastest player(s) in your program's history
« Reply #45 on: August 13, 2019, 11:55:30 AM »
Tad Golden I think the kids name was, for UT, was special fast as 'fro calls it.  He didnt accomplish much. 

The fastest guy right now I know of is Schwartz from auburn.. He is in the 10 second class 100m running it faster than anyone alive a couple years ago at 10.06 I think it was, but its his game speed that impresses me... He can juke amd live and when he sees an opening he is g.o.n.e.   
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« Reply #46 on: August 13, 2019, 12:49:03 PM »
Willie Gault was fast.
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Re: Fastest player(s) in your program's history
« Reply #47 on: August 13, 2019, 01:47:27 PM »
I’ve always wondered at the combine why they didn’t make the guys do all the drills in full pads.  Maybe it’s time consuming, maybe it’s inconvenient, but whatever.  I’d still make them do it.  And I’d make all skill position guys run the 40 carrying a football as well.
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« Reply #48 on: August 13, 2019, 01:57:19 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 13, 2019, 12:49:03 PM
Willie Gault was fast.
Yup,Cliff Branch,Bob Hayes come to mind
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Re: Fastest player(s) in your program's history
« Reply #49 on: August 13, 2019, 03:27:22 PM »
just check the Raiders roster for flops of speed guys

decades of rosters
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« Reply #50 on: August 13, 2019, 03:49:34 PM »
40y or 100m times are just snapshots. And really, they measure two very different things.

If you look at Usain Bolt's 100m chart upthread, you notice that he spends the entire first 40 yards accelerating, and right at 35-40 yards, his speed plateaus. The rest of it he's maintaining his top speed.

So a 40 yard dash only really measures your ability to accelerate. The 100m can show your top speed. If you're fast in the 40 but with a lower top speed, you'll lose the 100m but might have great football speed. If you have a slower 40 but higher top speed, you might have more of a fluid running style and won't get caught from behind. 

And neither of these have any bearing on your ability to change direction laterally (and with balance), which for a football player is usually much more important than straight-line speed. 

I think we spend way too much time as fans obsessing about track times. 
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« Reply #51 on: August 13, 2019, 04:35:34 PM »
Boyd Epley was only concerned about 10 yd dash times regarding straight line speed or acceleration 

He measured that vs the weight of the player, worked out well for 160lb corners and 300lb DTs.
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Re: Fastest player(s) in your program's history
« Reply #52 on: August 13, 2019, 04:43:16 PM »
Is Jerry Rice the slowest truly great skill position player other than QB?

I saw him interviewed for a while, really intelligent guy.
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« Reply #53 on: August 13, 2019, 04:45:56 PM »
Emmitt Smith ran a 4.52 and some around here think he was truly great
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Re: Fastest player(s) in your program's history
« Reply #54 on: August 13, 2019, 04:46:50 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on August 13, 2019, 03:49:34 PM
40y or 100m times are just snapshots. And really, they measure two very different things.

If you look at Usain Bolt's 100m chart upthread, you notice that he spends the entire first 40 yards accelerating, and right at 35-40 yards, his speed plateaus. The rest of it he's maintaining his top speed.

So a 40 yard dash only really measures your ability to accelerate. The 100m can show your top speed. If you're fast in the 40 but with a lower top speed, you'll lose the 100m but might have great football speed. If you have a slower 40 but higher top speed, you might have more of a fluid running style and won't get caught from behind.

And neither of these have any bearing on your ability to change direction laterally (and with balance), which for a football player is usually much more important than straight-line speed.

I think we spend way too much time as fans obsessing about track times.
great post.

Barry Sanders was probably no better than a 4.4 in a straight line. He was definitely fast in a straight line. But nowhere near the fastest guy in a straight line. Deion or Bo or Randy Moss or Darrell Green were a good deal faster than Barry in a straight line.

It was Barry's ability to stop and start and change directions and then accelerate almost instantly to full speed while changing direction that was completely unparalled in the history of the sport. Barry Sanders was A LOT harder to stop when the football was in his hands than any of these guys who were faster than him in a straight line. As exciting as Deion was with the ball in his hands- he never came close to Barry. Barry to this day is the most exciting athlete I've ever seen play sports. I'd rather watch him run the ball than any other athlete in any sport do anything. To this day I have never seen anyone do the remarkable so often and just make it look ordinary. What a treat it was to watch that man run the football.
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Re: Fastest player(s) in your program's history
« Reply #55 on: August 13, 2019, 04:50:46 PM »
current wr henry ruggs has to be up there for bama. has a 4.25 40 at bama's pro day, which i'm sure was hand timed. but that's still blazing.

wr white was pretty fast.

julio ran 4.39 at combine, and for a 6'3" 220lb guy, that's moving.

there might be some other wr from mid 90's i'm not remembering, but i don't remember any big time burners. palmer and milons were more quick lateral movement guys, not great straight line speed.
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