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Re: Explaination on topic closing
« Reply #126 on: May 10, 2020, 05:47:49 PM »
Food Labels That Give Limited Information
Cage-Free Eggs
Cage free eggs“Cage free” means that birds are raised without cages, but it tells you nothing about any other living conditions. For instance, cage-free eggs could come from birds raised indoors in overcrowded spaces at large factory farms.

Pasture Raised
“Pasture-raised” or “pastured” means that animals spent at least some time outdoors on pasture, feeding on grass or forage. This traditional farming method is typically done on a smaller scale than conventional factory-farmed animals. However, there are no government standards for this label, including how much of its life the animal spent on pasture.

Grass-Fed
“Grass-fed” means that, after weaning, an animal’s primary source of food comes from grass or forage, not from grains such as corn. There are no uniform government standards for this label, although some companies submit their own standards to the USDA so they can put a grassfed claim on their products. Some third party certifications also use a grass-fed claim. This does not tell you if antibiotics or hormones were used on the animal or what conditions it lived in.

No Antibiotics
“Raised without antibiotics” or “no antibiotics administered” means that the animal received no antibiotics over its lifetime. Some large-scale producers feed animals antibiotics at low doses to promote growth and prevent disease, which is linked to the spread of antibiotic-resistant bacteria that may make people sick and are difficult to treat – a serious threat to public health. Other producers use antibiotics only to treat sick animals. This label does not tell you about other conditions where the animal was raised.

If an animal receives antibiotics for any reason, its meat, milk or eggs cannot be labeled “certified organic.”

No Hormones

No added hormonesThe labels “raised without added hormones,” “no hormones administered” or “no synthetic hormones” all mean that the animal received no synthetic hormones. Hormone-free labels do not disclose what the animals were fed or if they had access to pasture.

Federal law prohibits the use of hormones on hogs and poultry. Any hormone-free label on pork and poultry products is intended to mislead shoppers into thinking that the product is worthy of a higher price. The USDA requires that these labels on pork or poultry include a disclaimer: “Federal regulations prohibit the use of hormones in poultry/pork.”

However, federal regulations do permit the use of hormones in beef and dairy cattle. Recombinant bovine growth hormone (also known as rBGH or rBST) is a synthetic growth hormone commonly injected into dairy cattle to increase milk production. Several hormones are used in beef cattle to speed up growth.

Thanks to years of activism, “RBGH-free” or “rBST-free” labels can now be used on milk products to indicate that the cows did not receive synthetic hormones. However, due to pressure from Monsanto and the dairy industry, such labels on dairy products usually come with a disclaimer that the FDA acknowledges no difference between milk produced with or without the hormone.


Misleading Food Labels

Seafood Labels
Labels on seafood are frequently misleading – for example, you may see organic labels on fish, but there is no U.S. government standard for “organic” seafood certification. Learn more about what to look for in our Seafood Buying Guide.

Free Range
“Free range” labels are regulated by the USDA only for poultry produced for meat – it’s not regulated for pigs, cattle or egg-producing chickens. Nor are the requirements very high: poultry can use the label if the chicken had any access to the outdoors each day for some unspecified period of time; it could be just a few minutes, and does not assure that the animal ever actually went outdoors to roam freely.

Natural and Naturally Raised
All naturalAccording to USDA, “natural” meat and poultry products cannot contain artificial colors, artificial flavors, preservatives or other artificial ingredients, and they should be “minimally processed.” However, this label does not tell us how the animals were raised, what they were fed, if antibiotics or hormones were used, or other aspects of production that consumers might logically expect from something labeled “natural.”

Fresh
Contrary to what you might expect, the label “fresh” is used only on poultry to indicate that the meat was not cooled below 26 degrees F. Poultry does not have to be labeled as “frozen” until it reaches zero degrees F. This can be misleading to customers who assume that label means meat has not been frozen, processed or preserved in any way. The USDA does not define or regulate the use of the “fresh” label on any other type of products.
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Re: Explaination on topic closing
« Reply #127 on: May 10, 2020, 05:58:57 PM »
I figure food labeling is largely deceptive, and pay little attention to it.  I see the folks at Kroger taking frozen seafood out that is labeled "fresh" somehow.

Nearly all our seafood is frozen of course this far away from the ocean.

Cage free is a racket, as I suspected, along with gluten free and organic and whatever else.  Oh, sulfites in wine, don't get me started.

Remember the "Beef, it's what's for dinner."?  Marketing, probably somewhat effective.  It got folks thinking they really would like a steak.  Then there was "Pork, the other white meat", meaning, eat pork AND chicken, it's good for you, not beef.

Now we have farm raised fish of all types.  Is it "OK" versus wild caught?  Probably, maybe, except perhaps tilapia.  Not sure about that one.

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« Reply #128 on: May 10, 2020, 06:02:45 PM »
Reminds me, why do some States restrict alcohol sales until Noon or some other arbitrary time?  Is the MADD lobby that powerful?  Compromise with the teetotaler crowd?   Blue laws are funny like that.   You may want cold beer at 9am, but the State knows best if you want to buy it before noon.

Interestingly if you read McDonald's latest ER the lack of AM breakfast traffic has been a much more significant drag on sales during CV than the 'burger' hours.

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« Reply #129 on: May 10, 2020, 06:11:44 PM »
again, people market shit they produce and sell, film at 11.    Selling egg nog on the 4th of July ain't gonna work, no matter how hard the 'lobby' tries.

Sparkling juice/fake champagne is another great category.  It is for sale year round. Yet 80%+ of sales occur during two weeks.   

Ever try to find fresh turkey cuts in summer time?

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« Reply #130 on: May 10, 2020, 06:13:01 PM »
I've got french fries and chicken wings in the oven at 450 degrees.  Both were frozen, both have been in my freezer far too long.

my meal won't be healthy or high quality, but it will work with a couple beers

I'm watching "the game" on BTN

it's not fresh either, but it's ok
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Re: Explaination on topic closing
« Reply #131 on: May 10, 2020, 06:16:37 PM »
Did anyone else happen to notice how threads around here at times ... um .... deviate from the original topic?

Maybe it's just me.

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« Reply #132 on: May 10, 2020, 06:38:20 PM »
No mention of marketing, just the egg lobby.

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« Reply #133 on: May 10, 2020, 06:53:52 PM »
Of course not. 
But isn't having our AM food choices being limited sort of stupid?  If I want a burger, shouldn't I be able to get a burger before 9am?  And no, it's not truly a big deal, but it probably irks me because the fact that I can't get a burger before 9am is based on nothing.  There's no actual reason behind it.

I predict in 50 years, breakfast food won't be a thing.  It's already slowly giving way.  McDonalds offers all-day breakfast items.  You can get tacos at Taco Bell as soon as they open.  Burger King has a full breakfast menu, but also offers the Whopper as soon as it opens.  All of these began a couple of years ago.

We have people bitching about having to wear a mask for 13 minutes as they go into a store.  Meanwhile, a vast majority of food types are restricted in the AM because of......what?  Nothing.
It's not based on nothing.  It's based on consumer demand.  If it were worthwhile for hamburger stands to open up at 9:00 am and start selling burgers, they would open up at 9:00 am and start selling burgers.

If somehow everybody in the restaurant business (except for Burger King, apparently, which seems to contradict your assertion in paragraph 1) has been overlooking a vast, untapped market for burgers at 9:00 am, you should take action to meet that demand, perhaps by opening up a 9:00 am hamburger restaurant, or by financing an entrepreneur who is willing to do so.  Or by voting for a political candidate who runs on a platform of forcing hamburger stands to open at 9:00 and start selling hamburgers to the multitudes who are demanding them.
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Re: Explaination on topic closing
« Reply #134 on: May 10, 2020, 06:55:03 PM »
again, people market shit they produce and sell, film at 11.    Selling egg nog on the 4th of July ain't gonna work, no matter how hard the 'lobby' tries.

Sparkling juice/fake champagne is another great category.  It is for sale year round. Yet 80%+ of sales occur during two weeks. 

Ever try to find fresh turkey cuts in summer time?
The champagne lobby is pretty strong in France

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« Reply #135 on: May 10, 2020, 06:55:57 PM »
Did anyone else happen to notice how threads around here at times ... um .... deviate from the original topic?

Maybe it's just me.
happens most often when the Big 12ers show up
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Re: Explaination on topic closing
« Reply #136 on: May 10, 2020, 06:58:34 PM »
The champagne lobby is pretty strong in France
Maybe, I'm not sure why exactly.  What are they worried about?

The wine rules in France are already pretty well laid out.  I don't know of any efforts to change the ones relating to Champagne.  I could well have missed them though.

Perhaps someone wants to enlarge the AVA.

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« Reply #137 on: May 10, 2020, 06:58:44 PM »
Jeezis Kryst. 
Without the lobbyists, unfavorable legislation would render the marketers useless (or at least hamstrung).  The song and dance don't work unless there's someone behind the screen moving the levers up and down.
Now you are retreating to the motte.
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« Reply #138 on: May 10, 2020, 07:00:05 PM »
happens most often when the Big 12ers show up
that's because of high jacking this is because of haywire - just one
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« Reply #139 on: May 10, 2020, 07:00:34 PM »
There are three California producers, I think it's three, who can label their wines "California Champagne".  Korbel is the main one.  This is part of our agreement with the French.  Of course, the term "California Champagne" is a bit of an oxymoron.

We also agreed not to call our stuff "Chablis".  That was prevalent in the '70s, Gallo Chablis, etc.

 

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