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MrNubbz

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Re: Explaination on topic closing
« Reply #56 on: May 09, 2020, 06:24:00 PM »

Yeah, it's as if you're not even reading my posts....
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Re: Explaination on topic closing
« Reply #57 on: May 09, 2020, 06:29:29 PM »
I'm waiting for a lobbyist to tell me what to fix for breakfast tomorrow.  Maybe one of them posts here.

The wife probably wants eggs.

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« Reply #58 on: May 09, 2020, 10:06:31 PM »
I'd eat bacon (or sausage), eggs, and toast every morning if I didn't know (or think I know) any better.

As it is, I eat oatmeal 6 days a week, and Sunday morning my wife fixes me a special breakfast that usually has either fried eggs or eggs in some kind of batter. 
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Re: Explaination on topic closing
« Reply #59 on: May 09, 2020, 10:17:20 PM »
Yeah, it's as if you're not even reading my posts....
I do read your posts.  I don't read ahead to see if you've said something to back away from assertion to which I am responding.
Have you ever heard of a motte-and-bailey argument?
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Motte-and-bailey fallacy

The motte-and-bailey fallacy (named after the motte-and-bailey castle) is an informal fallacy where an arguer conflates two positions with similar properties, one modest and easy to defend (the "motte") and one much more controversial (the "bailey").[1] The arguer advances the controversial position, but when challenged, they insist that they are only advancing the more modest position.[2][3] The fallacy has been described as the inverse of the straw man, in "replacing a weak position with a strong position to better defend it" rather than "replacing a strong position with a weak position to better attack it".[4]

Nicholas Shackel, who coined the term,[1] prefers to speak of a motte-and-bailey doctrine instead of a fallacy.[3]

Example usage
An example of a motte-and-bailey argument is starting with the claim that a war is justified and worth fighting, or that the nation needs to devote a lot of resources to the military, but when challenged on the details, retreating to the less controversial, "but don't you support our troops?"[1]
A lot of people who like to argue do this.  It gets the argument going, and then, after the retreat to the motte, lets the argument end on acceptable terms.
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Re: Explaination on topic closing
« Reply #60 on: May 09, 2020, 10:37:42 PM »
The first time that I ever tried an egg (other than a hard boiled Easter egg) was in college.
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Re: Explaination on topic closing
« Reply #61 on: May 09, 2020, 11:39:51 PM »


As it is, I eat oatmeal 6 days a week, 
I really believe in this,and have to get back in the practice.For years everyday oatmeal,raisins or bluebaerries,with faxseed.2 years ago had some heart and carotid Artery scans and and both were great.Time to get serious again
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Re: Explaination on topic closing
« Reply #62 on: May 09, 2020, 11:42:19 PM »
I'm not backing away or digging a hole. 
Yes, people ate eggs for breakfast for hundreds of years because they had chickens outside. 
99%+ of Americans no longer have chickens outside their home.  They go grocery shopping and out of habit and/or tradition, buy "breakfast foods", including eggs.
The poultry/egg industry has many corporations employing many lobbyists. 
They employ lobbyists for many reasons - to suppress egg substitutes, to avoid government regulation of chicken care, and yes, to continue the tradition/myth that some foods are for breakfast. 

I don't see how any of this is wrong or silly or controversial.  To be honest, I'm amazed at the brushback I'm getting. 


My larger point is that in 2020, the term "breakfast food" should be nonsensical.  Egg producers know this and work to continue the traditon/myth.  Now, Cincy brought up advertisers - they're the ones who came up with the "Nature's Miracle Food" ads, among others.  They act on what the corporations/lobbyists tell them to say.

And to be plain, I'm not jumping up and down here, screaming about how the egg lobby is evil or overpowered, I'm simply saying it exists.  And that food is just food - there's no such thing as "breakfast food." 
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Re: Explaination on topic closing
« Reply #63 on: May 09, 2020, 11:44:03 PM »
The first time that I ever tried an egg (other than a hard boiled Easter egg) was in college.
Man, I'm glad I'm not old as dirt.  Not having an egg or pizza until 15-20 years in?  Must have been awful.  

All this talk about food makes me miss getting seafood right off the boat in Jacksonville as a kid.  
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Re: Explaination on topic closing
« Reply #64 on: May 09, 2020, 11:54:52 PM »
Hmm.

I've missed some juicy discussion HERE?! 

Good thing. 

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Re: Explaination on topic closing
« Reply #65 on: May 09, 2020, 11:58:32 PM »
I'm not backing away or digging a hole. 
Smashing riposte.Whether you admit it or not your logic was as twisted as chicken wire after an F-5.Forgive me if I recoil from attempting to wade thru that swampy morass of rebuttals to point out the brilliance of it
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Re: Explaination on topic closing
« Reply #66 on: May 10, 2020, 04:00:40 AM »
You seem to post things that make you smile, but aren't really contributing to the discussion.
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Re: Explaination on topic closing
« Reply #67 on: May 10, 2020, 07:45:06 AM »
Actually, marketing firms come up with their own campaigns, without any help from "lobbyists", and usually without any help from the corporations.  That is what they do, they often are good at it, and they get paid for marketing campaigns, by companies.  The marketing folks that work for marketing companies are MBAs, the run the business, they are not marketing experts, which is why they pay marketing companies to contrive the next campaign to push sales.

And yes, these MBAs approve the marketing campaigns, they usually are presented with 3 or 4 ideas on "story boards" and they go, usually, with one.  The idea is created by the "creators" (literally) at the marketing companies.  I've never ever seen a lobbyist at one of these meetings.

I did work on the fringe of a lobbying effort, we were trying to explain a patent issue to our Congressman in DC.  It was entertaining.  I was involved in a few meetings with our lobbyist and had lunch with them where everyone was interested in what kinds of things he did for the company.  He never said anything about eating this or that for breakfast of course, and we actually had a foods business at the time.

I thought most of our ads were incredibly stupid until I had the concept behind them explained to me.  I still thought they were sort of stupid but I realized they were not intended for folks like me.  I'm old as dirt and a bit odd.

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Re: Explaination on topic closing
« Reply #68 on: May 10, 2020, 08:35:30 AM »
Lobbyists are just marketers who market to elected officials.

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Re: Explaination on topic closing
« Reply #69 on: May 10, 2020, 08:39:03 AM »
Often, lobbyists are simply trying to explain technical details to congressional staff.  They aren't always some nefarious group trying to get some edge (at times they are).

A lot of legislation is pretty technical and the folks who write it won't be "experts" in the area, which is one reason lobbyists have influence.  If they disappeared magically, I suspect a lot of legislation would come out that made no sense at all, stuff like patent legislation, which gets technical in a hurry.


 

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