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Topic: ESPN's Rating the 21 BCS-to-Now Champs

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OrangeAfroMan

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ESPN's Rating the 21 BCS-to-Now Champs
« on: July 26, 2018, 08:38:17 PM »
20 years, 21 champs (03 split), ranked by ESPN.  At least they used statistics instead of talking heads.  Here's their ranking.  Discuss.

1.  '05 Texas
2.  '08 Florida
3.  '01 Miami
4.  '13 FSU
5.  '04 USC
6.  '11 Alabama
7.  '12 Alabama
8.  '15 Alabama
9.  '09 Alabama
10.'99 FSU
11.'17 Alabama
12.'16 Clemson
13.'00 Oklahoma
14.'14 Ohio St
15.'10 Auburn
16.'03 USC
17.'03 LSU
18.'98 Tennessee
19.'07 LSU
20.'06 Florida
21.'02 Ohio St

Some notes, to help distinguish between the Alabama teams:
09 - First Bama title since '92, Mark Ingram Heisman year
11 - Defense was #1 in all 4 major categories - rematch winner over LSU
12 - Lost to JFF, blew out ND in NCG.  Lacy/Yeldon at RB.
15 - Derrick Henry 2000+ yds, beat Clemson in NCG.
17 - last year, duh
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Re: ESPN's Rating the 21 BCS-to-Now Champs
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2018, 08:46:11 PM »
Personal thoughts:
'02 Ohio St will look bad using stats, we all know that.  But they stood toe-to-toe with the '02 Canes, who may have been better than '01.


'11 Bama's pass D might've been the best of all time.


'99 FSU's defense wasn't great, but they blew out Vicks' VT team - who was #1 in both scoring O and scoring D that season.


To those who blindly say "'01 Miami was the best" - again, this is COLLEGE ONLY.  NFL draft and career does not matter.


'14 OSU is probably too low.  Their defense wasn't great, but what they did on the field in the playoff was legit.


Both '03 teams might be too low.  LSU's D was special and USC's run D was nuts.  USC would have been better if they gave Bush more than 90 carries and/or let him handle punt returns that season.
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Re: ESPN's Rating the 21 BCS-to-Now Champs
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2018, 08:46:58 PM »
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Re: ESPN's Rating the 21 BCS-to-Now Champs
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2018, 08:47:01 PM »
I thought that Texas team was really good, though that was peak read option time and they had peak read option QB Vince Young.  Defenses are more prepared now.

Think last year's Bammer team was their weakest in a while and much too high on this list.  I'd probably put them last.

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Re: ESPN's Rating the 21 BCS-to-Now Champs
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2018, 09:07:14 PM »
I agree they weren't great compared to the other Bama squads, but I wouldn't put them last (don't forget, there's a 2-loss team in there).  I think they simply played 'boring' football on purpose, to mitigate errors and let their talent/depth win out.

2017 Bama was a lot like Lennox Lewis when he was the champ.  Not a lot of exciting rounds, but no one able to beat him, either.
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Re: ESPN's Rating the 21 BCS-to-Now Champs
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2018, 09:51:48 PM »
I love that the 2002 OSU team is last. That team came out of nowhere, and defied all odds. 

2014 is the one that is truly getting the shaft. That team was unbelievable, the way they stormed through the post season with a third string QB that no one had ever heard of. 

With Jones at the helm they stormed back against Ttun, smoked Wisconsin, put a pretty good whopping on Bama, and then subjected Oregon to a rather mean feather plucking. 
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1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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Re: ESPN's Rating the 21 BCS-to-Now Champs
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2018, 10:30:32 PM »
'04 USC seems too low.  I would have liked to see '01 Miami I a year with a valid contender.  Tough to say how good they were in a year with no strong #2.
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Re: ESPN's Rating the 21 BCS-to-Now Champs
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2018, 11:08:01 PM »
I'd have 07 LSU, 98 Tennessee, 99 FSU, and '00 OU lower.  Looking at the Bama's, Max, I think you're right, they'd be nearer the bottom of the list for me, too.  

06 Florida I look at sort of like 14 OSU....maybe not as sexy a regular season as you'd want, but peaked in the postseason (1 game for UF, 3 for OSU).  Those Gators also had a bunch of close calls like 02 OSU.
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Re: ESPN's Rating the 21 BCS-to-Now Champs
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2018, 11:11:13 PM »
I always wonder if 2005 USC was too impressed with itself in the game vs Texas and Vince Young.  They were being gouged by VY's scrambling all game long.  He didn't have any TD passes in the game.  The Trojans thought they were good enough to win just doing what they'd done all year, and they weren't.  They didn't put in some DEs to replace DTs.  If a LB spy would be too slow, then have a safety commit to him, etc.  They just kept playing normal defense and giving up huge swaths of yards to Young.  It was odd.  

A team on a long win streak gets built up too much.  They're not necessarily better at win #30 in a row than they were at win #17, ya know?
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Re: ESPN's Rating the 21 BCS-to-Now Champs
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2018, 11:41:43 PM »
I think I'd pick 2012 as the best Bama team
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Re: ESPN's Rating the 21 BCS-to-Now Champs
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2018, 12:40:36 AM »

Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on July 26, 2018, 09:51:48 PM
I love that the 2002 OSU team is last. That team came out of nowhere, and defied all odds.

2014 is the one that is truly getting the shaft. That team was unbelievable, the way they stormed through the post season with a third string QB that no one had ever heard of.

With Jones at the helm they stormed back against Ttun, smoked Wisconsin, put a pretty good whopping on Bama, and then subjected Oregon to a rather mean feather plucking.
It's interesting, that run was truly unreal. That team up to that point might be only pretty good. 
They beat two teams with fewer than five losses, MSU and Cincinnati, and lost to a 6-6 team. Murdering a slightly overrated Wisconsin team helped, but they also needed the gods to help with the Big 12 mess. 
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Re: ESPN's Rating the 21 BCS-to-Now Champs
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2018, 05:29:34 AM »
Quote from: ELA on July 26, 2018, 11:41:43 PM
I think I'd pick 2012 as the best Bama team
McCarron definiely picked it up from '11 to '12.  '12 definitely has more 'star power', but with most everything else being equal, the pass D of '11 sets it apart, imo.

And the 21-0 NCG win over LSU was 'better' than the drubbing over ND, in that LSU was far better than the Irish and the utter dominance...I don't think LSU crossed the 50 yard line until halfway through the 4th quarter.
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Re: ESPN's Rating the 21 BCS-to-Now Champs
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2018, 07:44:19 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 27, 2018, 05:29:34 AM
McCarron definiely picked it up from '11 to '12.  '12 definitely has more 'star power', but with most everything else being equal, the pass D of '11 sets it apart, imo.

And the 21-0 NCG win over LSU was 'better' than the drubbing over ND, in that LSU was far better than the Irish and the utter dominance...I don't think LSU crossed the 50 yard line until halfway through the 4th quarter.
Yeah, it wasn't based on that game alone.  I agree the '11 defense was a half step ahead of the '12 defense, but I think the '12 offense was a full step ahead.  Splitting hairs though, because, why not.
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Re: ESPN's Rating the 21 BCS-to-Now Champs
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2018, 07:55:59 AM »
Just for another point of comparison because I know his data goes back that far, and gives a rating that can be compared year to year, Sagarin's ranking.  I also put in parenthesis where that team finished in his rankings that year if they weren't #1

1. '05 Texas - 106.93
2. '01 Miami - 106.36
3. '16 Clemson - 105.35
4. '11 Alabama - 104.17
5. '04 USC - 103.37
6. '99 Florida State - 102.07
7. '13 Florida State - 101.90
8. '00 Oklahoma - 101.63
9. '17 Alabama - 101.18
10. '15 Alabama - 100.92
11. '14 Ohio State - 100.81
12. '09 Alabama - 100.25
13. '12 Alabama - 99.40
14. '08 Florida - 98.74
15. '98 Tennessee - 98.49 (#2)
16. '10 Auburn - 98.06
17. '03 LSU - 97.43
18. '06 Florida - 96.18
19. '03 USC - 95.54 (#2)
20. '07 LSU - 93.39
21. '02 Ohio State - 93.26 (#3)
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