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Topic: ESPN's Rating the 21 BCS-to-Now Champs
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medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #56 on:** July 31, 2018, 08:07:36 AM »

Quote from: ELA on July 30, 2018, 12:30:03 PM

I think it's also that Miami was bludgeoning teams all year, while OSU had a lot of nailbiters, some against some not great teams. Plus expectations are formed in the preseason, and Miami was coming off a national title, while OSU was coming off an Outback Bowl. Looking back, we now know all of the OSU names, but we didn't at the time.

I think part of that, and a big reason for Ohio State's win, was that the Big11Ten was extremely good that year.

8-0/14-0 Ohio State
8-0/11-2 Iowa: Iowa had a brain-fart loss to ISU and got smoked by USC but won their other 11 games.
6-2/10-3 Michigan: Beat Florida in the Outback Bowl.
5-3/9-4 Penn State: Lost close to Auburn in the Citrus Bowl.
4-4/7-6 Purdue: Beat Washington in the Sun Bowl.
4-4/5-7 Illinois: No Bowl.
3-5/8-5 Minnesota: Beat Arkansas in the Music City Bowl.
2-6/8-6 Wisconsin: Beat Colorado in the Alamo Bowl.
2-6/4-8 Michigan State: No Bowl.
1-7/3-9 Indiana: No Bowl.
1-7/3-9 Northwestern: No Bowl.

The Big11Ten went 5-2 in bowls and the Buckeyes played three of the other four bowl winners along with one bowl loser. On the schedule Ohio State missed a very good Iowa team but they also missed a pretty bad Michigan State team so it balances out. Additionally, Ohio State had two solid Major Conference OOC wins:

Beat Pac10 Champion Washington State 25-7.
Beat B12 TxTech 45-21. Tech finished 5-3/9-5 with a Tangerine Bowl win over Clemson. As pre CG/pre CFP schedules go that one is pretty tough.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #57 on:** August 05, 2018, 11:01:39 PM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 30, 2018, 01:32:21 AM

When your WRs are blanketed and Ed Reed is picking off everything in the middle, you tend not to put the ball in the air a lot.

Miami was only tied for 17th in the country in yards per rush allowed. That's not elite. VT, in a close game, threw as many completions as INTs. Buchanan, Reed, and Rumph were all first rounders, and a backup CB, Rolle, was too.

One thing I've learned, by studying all the good teams from the past 40 years for the game I made, is that it's VERY difficult to be super-elite at both run and pass D. Not one team allowed 2 or fewer yards per rush AND 4.5 yards per pass.
I think generically, most defenses try to key on the run to make teams one-dimensional. I guess 01 Miami went the other way on that.

So I was wondering, does this matter? Or are many good teams different in many ways? So I was thinking, lets see what each title team had on D (Stats are pre-bowl until the NCAA change because gawd the NCAA is awful).
Tennessee
2.7 YPC (T-7th with a mess of teams) 6.18 YPA (14th) Points 14.4 (9th)
FSU
YPC 2.8 (T-12) 6.29 YPA (T-22nd) Points 15.8 (10th)
Oklahoma
3.2 (28th) 5.16 (2nd) Yards per play 4.1 (7th) Points 16.0 (7th)
Miami
3.1 (22nd) 5.24 (4th) Yards per play 3.9 (3rd) Points 9.8 (1st)
OSU
2.6 (7th) 6.23 (33rd) 4.7 (28th) Points 13.1 (2nd)
LSU
2.3 (3rd) 5.43 (4th) 4.1 (1st) 11.1 (1st)
USC
1.8 (1st) 6.33 (28th) 4.4 (15th) 18.4 (18th)
USC again
2.6 (3rd) 5.69 (8th) 4.3 (8th) 13.0 (3rd)
Texas
3.7 (45th) 5.13 (1st) 4.4 (8th) 16.4 (9th)
Florida
2.7 (6th) 5.59 (4th) 4.3 (8th) 13.5 (6th)
LSU
3.2 (18th) 5.67 (10th) 4.4 (4th) 19.9 (17th)
Florida
3.4 (24th) 5.52 (6th) 4.5 (13th) 12.9 (4th)
Bama
2.8 (7th) 5.18 (2nd) 4.0 (4th) 11.7 (2nd)
Auburn
3.4 (11th) 7.05 (63rd) 5.4 (60th) 24.1 (53rd)
Bama
2.4 (2nd) 4.34 (1st) 3.3 (1st) 8.2 (1st)
Bama
2.4 (1st) 6.12 (19th) 4.2 (2nd) 10.9 (1st)
FSU
3.3 (15th) 5.14 (1st) 4.1 (2nd) 11.1 (2nd)
OSU
3.9 (41st) 6.09 (13th) 5.0 (25th) 22.0 (26th)
Bama
2.4 (2nd) 6.08 (17th) 4.3 (3rd) 15.1 (3rd)
Clemson
3.7 (24th) 5.65 (3rd) 4.6 (4th) 18.0 (10th)
Bama
2.8 (1st) 5.45 (1st) 4.0 (1st) 11.9 (1st)

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #58 on:** August 05, 2018, 11:56:19 PM »

Not a requirement, but certainly a very strong trend.

I stand by the idea that it's exceedingly rare for a defense to be elite at both run and pass defense. I don't see any reason to argue otherwise.

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