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Topic: End of game "Hail Mary" type situations

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LittlePig

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Re: End of game "Hail Mary" type situations
« Reply #42 on: September 26, 2023, 01:05:57 PM »
How many times did Nebraska get Hail Maryed in 2015?
I think NW had one of those years too,  it might had been 2013.  NW kept losing games in the last minute or OT by the most unlikely ways.  

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Re: End of game "Hail Mary" type situations
« Reply #43 on: September 26, 2023, 01:17:41 PM »
I think I heard that OSU was a 2.5 to 3.0 point favorite against ND.  So kicking the extra point did matter to bettors, at least.

I was also under the impression that the extra second mattered more with the kickoff than the extra point.  That the team still has to try the PAT even if the TD put them ahead.  Of course if there is no time left,  the team can still take a knee if they want.

But if the team that scored the TD, with no time left, is behind or tied,  then they definitely get to try the PAT with no time on the clock.  That we can all agree on.


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Re: End of game "Hail Mary" type situations
« Reply #44 on: September 26, 2023, 01:18:43 PM »
You could, but I don't.  A Hail Mary play IS a Hail Mary pass.  The "Hail Mary" bit is the part where you're praying while that moon ball arcs its way toward the goal line and the 18-20 players waiting for it there.  That's the entire point of the name.

Agreed. We have a known play that has a near-universally agreed upon definition. If there was a compelling argument for how changing this would improve communication, I'd be all ears. But in my opinion it would do the opposite, and lead to more confusion, if we start stretching the term to include a wider group of plays. 

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Re: End of game "Hail Mary" type situations
« Reply #45 on: September 26, 2023, 01:42:19 PM »
You could call them "last chance" plays or "last ditch efforts" or something like that.  And the football-savvy audience would understand exactly what you're saying.

Announcer1: Well there's only one second on the clock and the Bears are down by 4. A field goal won't help them, they absolutely must have a touchdown, so they'll have to make some last ditch effort here.

Announder2: You're exactly right, Annoucer1.  They could try a Hail Mary, or they might resort to some kind of trickery with a hook and lateral or another gadget play.


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Re: End of game "Hail Mary" type situations
« Reply #46 on: September 26, 2023, 02:18:27 PM »
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Re: End of game "Hail Mary" type situations
« Reply #47 on: September 26, 2023, 02:30:34 PM »
So let it be written, so let it be done, A "Hail Mary" is forever more ONLY a long pass as a last attempt to salvage a game, or score before half time."


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Re: End of game "Hail Mary" type situations
« Reply #48 on: September 26, 2023, 03:15:12 PM »
So let it be written, so let it be done, A "Hail Mary" is forever more ONLY a long pass as a last attempt to salvage a game, or score before half time."


Amen.

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Re: End of game "Hail Mary" type situations
« Reply #49 on: September 26, 2023, 03:48:40 PM »
How many times did Nebraska get Hail Maryed in 2015?
They won a game that year on a near hail mary where their receiver ran out of bounds

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Re: End of game "Hail Mary" type situations
« Reply #50 on: September 26, 2023, 05:58:05 PM »
great gadget play that fooled the defense!
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Re: End of game "Hail Mary" type situations
« Reply #51 on: September 26, 2023, 06:21:50 PM »
great gadget play that fooled the defense!
And the zebras

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Re: End of game "Hail Mary" type situations
« Reply #52 on: September 26, 2023, 06:28:08 PM »
those guys are easy
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Re: End of game "Hail Mary" type situations
« Reply #53 on: September 26, 2023, 07:07:21 PM »
A hail mary is a long pass play at the end of the game from a certain distance but not exceeding a certain distance.  Like if you're at your own 20, you're not throwing a hail mary, and that's where the 23 lateral hijinks plays come into play.

For most QBs, a hail mary try probably expires around their own 40 yard line.  Backed up further than that, you get your hook-n-laterals and rugby tactics. 

You could argue real hail marys only occur in the 20-yards from 40 yard line to 40 yard line.
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Re: End of game "Hail Mary" type situations
« Reply #54 on: September 26, 2023, 07:15:24 PM »
You could argue real hail marys only occur in the 20-yards from 40 yard line to 40 yard line.
In general, yes. Too far for a designed play but close enough for a desperate heave. 

For a QB with a howitzer, it might extend a little farther, but given the mention that you're probably throwing it from 7-10 yards behind the LOS to give your players a chance to get downfield, it's gotta be a real live arm to get it there if inside your own 40 yard line... 

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Re: End of game "Hail Mary" type situations
« Reply #55 on: September 26, 2023, 07:38:10 PM »
I want to say that LSU vs UK "too far" hail mary was Marcus Randall to Deverey Henderson.  But the bobble was key....idk, it could have just been Kentucky being Kentucky.
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