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utee94

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #616 on: September 19, 2021, 08:41:40 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 03, 2021, 12:58:51 PM


2023 Cadillac LYRIQ | Electric SUV | Model Overview

Starts at $60 K.



Looks same as every other compact SUV on the market.  Why do they keep making cars uglier and uglier?
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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #617 on: September 20, 2021, 08:14:11 AM »
Function?

Early automobiles looked like horseless carriages, and this isn't as big a change as that was.  Designers are locked into a basic shape for functionality, and perhaps they want the vehicle to look "normal" for general appeal.  You could design something without much of a "hood" if crashworthiness could be retained.  That area now is a frunk.

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« Reply #618 on: September 20, 2021, 01:58:50 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on September 19, 2021, 08:41:40 PM
Looks same as every other compact SUV on the market.  Why do they keep making cars uglier and uglier?
Because we live in the Anti-Renaissance era.  Everything--cars, architecture, fashion, art--gets uglier and uglier.  When you think it can't get any uglier, it does.
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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #619 on: September 20, 2021, 02:21:27 PM »
I like the design.  It sold out quickly.

Cadillac Lyriq sells out in 19 minutes – automakers still underestimate EV demand - Electrek

When we saw the Lyriq in person, we were very impressed. Our main question at the time was “will GM make enough of these?” Now we have the answer: apparently not.

In fact, we get that answer a lot. Time and time again, new EVs sell out of their first production year within minutes or days of their first offering. Time and time again, manufacturers are surprised by how quickly this happens. Time and time again, they need to upgrade their production plans for these new models (and still end up supply-constrained even after these upgrades).

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« Reply #620 on: September 20, 2021, 04:53:42 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on September 19, 2021, 08:41:40 PM
Looks same as every other compact SUV on the market.  Why do they keep making cars uglier and uglier?
Because they all get designed by the same computer programs to be optimized in the same wind tunnel simulations. So they're all going to be the same basic shape.

All they can do to make them stand out and be memorable is "styling", which means they're probably choosing between boring and forgettable and "exciting" and ugly. 
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« Reply #621 on: September 20, 2021, 04:54:56 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 20, 2021, 02:21:27 PM
I like the design.  It sold out quickly.

Cadillac Lyriq sells out in 19 minutes – automakers still underestimate EV demand - Electrek

When we saw the Lyriq in person, we were very impressed. Our main question at the time was “will GM make enough of these?” Now we have the answer: apparently not.

In fact, we get that answer a lot. Time and time again, new EVs sell out of their first production year within minutes or days of their first offering. Time and time again, manufacturers are surprised by how quickly this happens. Time and time again, they need to upgrade their production plans for these new models (and still end up supply-constrained even after these upgrades).
Umm, maybe they can't source enough batteries to make enough. 

Battery supply has been a constant concern for Tesla over the years--their production has been on and off battery-constrained over the years. 
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« Reply #622 on: September 20, 2021, 07:51:07 PM »
GM didn't make enuff 2020 or 2021 C8 corvettes with the 6.2 gas burner either
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« Reply #623 on: September 20, 2021, 07:52:14 PM »
saw a Tesla with Nebraska plates on the Kansas turnpike Friday afternoon on the way to OKC

license plate - 4GETOIL
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« Reply #624 on: September 21, 2021, 07:57:04 AM »
It's interesting that the chip shortage is so severe as to restrain production.  One would think chips could be pounded out by the gazilian.

I think with new EVs you have a surge of "early adopters" who buy it out and then demand drops to "normal", which might be a lot less.  The Corvette shortage is interesting, I thought it would have abated by now.  Even used C7 Vettes are very expensive still.  I was looking at a 2010 C6 convertible a bit on line, Z51, $40 K.
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« Reply #625 on: September 21, 2021, 08:28:57 AM »
I gave up on a reasonably priced C6 or C7 a few months ago

prices went up a few thousand

maybe next spring
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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #626 on: September 30, 2021, 04:20:57 PM »
https://www.karmaautomotive.com/karmab2c/en/sc2vision


Now we’re talking.   

One of best buds Engineer is with them now.  
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« Reply #627 on: September 30, 2021, 04:28:08 PM »
Microchips are pounded out by the gazillions.  But the fabrication process is lengthy, and the lead time on raw materials is even longer.  In the best of times it can take over a year to ramp up production significantly.

These are far from the best of times.

Really, everything was set back by about 18-24 months, when all of the auto manufacturers and many of the consumer electronics giants canceled massive amounts of orders right when COVID first hit in spring of 2020.

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #628 on: September 30, 2021, 05:04:11 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on September 30, 2021, 04:20:57 PM
https://www.karmaautomotive.com/karmab2c/en/sc2vision


Now we’re talking. 

One of best buds Engineer is with them now. 
Ahh, out in my neck of the woods. Their HQ is about 10 minutes from me.

Quote from: utee94 on September 30, 2021, 04:28:08 PM
Microchips are pounded out by the gazillions.  But the fabrication process is lengthy, and the lead time on raw materials is even longer.  In the best of times it can take over a year to ramp up production significantly.

These are far from the best of times.

Really, everything was set back by about 18-24 months, when all of the auto manufacturers and many of the consumer electronics giants canceled massive amounts of orders right when COVID first hit in spring of 2020.
Yeah, and it doesn't help that the sort of microchips that automakers want have much different requirements than a typical IC. They want it to work seamlessly from Edmonton in February to Death Valley in August, across all manner of shock and vibration, and they want it available for 7 years, preferably much more. Also they don't want to pay more than pennies for it.

Production can easily be 3-6 months from the time that the foundry initiates a new wafer start for your chips, depending on the complexity. Granted a lot of these chips would be on the low end of that. But foundries have so many orders right now that you may have a long lead time before they initiate that wafer start. Especially if you've driven down the prices with suppliers so much that they're not making much margin. 

I'm hearing from many places that simple components like passives (i.e. resistors, capacitors, etc) are quoting 52 week lead times. 

I'm glad my job isn't managing supply chain lol...
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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #629 on: September 30, 2021, 05:17:12 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on September 30, 2021, 05:04:11 PM
Ahh, out in my neck of the woods. Their HQ is about 10 minutes from me.
Yeah, and it doesn't help that the sort of microchips that automakers want have much different requirements than a typical IC. They want it to work seamlessly from Edmonton in February to Death Valley in August, across all manner of shock and vibration, and they want it available for 7 years, preferably much more. Also they don't want to pay more than pennies for it.

Production can easily be 3-6 months from the time that the foundry initiates a new wafer start for your chips, depending on the complexity. Granted a lot of these chips would be on the low end of that. But foundries have so many orders right now that you may have a long lead time before they initiate that wafer start. Especially if you've driven down the prices with suppliers so much that they're not making much margin.

I'm hearing from many places that simple components like passives (i.e. resistors, capacitors, etc) are quoting 52 week lead times.

I'm glad my job isn't managing supply chain lol...

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