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Topic: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #560 on: August 10, 2021, 07:52:50 AM »
I don't think we'll ever see that, there is a cost of production and taxes (which are over 50 cents now).  What we'll see is declining production over time as EVs really start to be a thing.  Then we'll start needing more electricity.  

But it will take a while even if most new vehicles are EVs by 2030-5.  

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« Reply #561 on: August 10, 2021, 08:01:44 AM »
possibly in my lifetime, but I probably won't be driving too many miles by then
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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #562 on: August 10, 2021, 04:23:23 PM »
The last of the gas powered Cadillac sedans is out.

2022 Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing First Drive: Bombastic Fantastic (motortrend.com)

It produces a staggering 668 hp and 659 lb-ft of torque—numbers up 28 hp and 29 lb-ft compared to the CTS-V's LT4 engine, thanks to a freer-flowing intake, an upgraded supercharger that creates more boost down low, and a smaller but more efficient intercooler.

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« Reply #563 on: August 10, 2021, 04:51:22 PM »
I might be driving one of those 10 years from now
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« Reply #564 on: August 10, 2021, 06:40:09 PM »
The Chevy Camaro Dies in 2024, Will Be Replaced by Electric Sedan

https://www.motortrend.com/news/chevrolet-camaro-discontinued-ev-sedan-rumor/?sm_id=organic_fb_MT_trueanthem&utm_campaign=&utm_medium=&utm_source=&fbclid=IwAR2ERLFYVBBkDHo7uJm_NFRs64m0AUyI89iVl23gEOoxXPT8DtOL_YL6sxo

the sixth-generation Chevy Camaro lacks a replacement; GM is sunsetting the Alpha platform on which its pony car rides. While it could slide the Camaro atop the Alpha's replacement, the rear-drive-based A2XX architecture that underpins Cadillac's CT4 and CT5, GM has apparently made no plans to do so. Chevy will keep the two-door Camaro coupe and convertible around until 2024, and then unceremoniously kill the model off.
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« Reply #565 on: August 10, 2021, 07:29:30 PM »
It isn't selling?  There's plenty of them out and about.  Could the relatively cheap pricetag of the Vette have harmed the Camaro?
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« Reply #566 on: August 10, 2021, 07:32:48 PM »
simply going electric
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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #567 on: August 11, 2021, 08:10:07 AM »
It isn't selling?  There's plenty of them out and about.  Could the relatively cheap pricetag of the Vette have harmed the Camaro?
Different markets, and only the high end Camaros get into Vette pricing territory.  And they can't make enough Vettes right now.  GM has made it clear they are going to EVs, and quickly.  "Performance" cars see clear advantages in the EV platform.  The Vette is going EV as well.  Cadillac just released the last of the ICE "supercars", the next gen will be an EV.

If you have $90 K to "invest", buy a CT5-V Blackwing with a manual transmission now and park it in a garage.

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« Reply #568 on: August 11, 2021, 08:54:08 AM »
I'd rather purchase the automatic and drive it

the payback might not be as good, but it would be rewarding in other areas
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« Reply #569 on: August 11, 2021, 09:11:58 AM »
The auto is faster, no doubt.  The manual will be a rarity in 15 years.

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #570 on: August 12, 2021, 07:56:21 AM »
Why gas-powered cars aren't going anywhere (motorauthority.com)
Why gas-powered cars aren't going anywhere (motorauthority.com)

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #571 on: August 13, 2021, 12:45:44 PM »
Magnetizable Concrete in Roads Could Charge Electric Cars While You Drive (singularityhub.com)

Interesting.

Last month, Indiana’s Department of Transport (INDOT) announced a collaboration with Purdue University and German company Magment to test out whether cement with embedded magnetized particles could provide an affordable road-charging solution.
Most wireless vehicle charging technologies rely on a process known as inductive charging, where electricity pumped into a wire coil creates a magnetic field that can induce an electric current in any other nearby wire coil. The charging coils are installed at regular intervals under the road, and cars are fitted with a receiver coil that picks up the charge.
But installing thousands of miles of copper under the road is obviously fairly costly. Magment’s solution is to instead embed standard concrete with recycled ferrite particles, which are also able to generate a magnetic field but are considerably cheaper. The company claims its product can achieve transmission efficiency of up to 95 percent and can be built at “standard road-building installation costs.”



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« Reply #572 on: August 13, 2021, 01:06:11 PM »
Very interesting concept.

Obviously inductive charging relies on pushing a current through a coiled wire to generate a magnetic field, which then induces a current in the coiled wire in the device to be charged. This would use a static magnetic field instead on the road, but ostensibly the movement of the car over that magnetic field could induce current. 

I doubt that this would allow cars to run indefinitely. Because you require the motion of the car through the field to induce electric current, it will only work when the car is moving, and thus it relies on the car's own power. I suspect that by definition there will be a less than 100% efficiency, i.e. it will be impossible at say 70 mph for the rate of charge to exceed the rate of depletion (you know, no perpetual motion machines and all). 

But if it works, it could be hell of a range extension feature. Let's say that at 70 mph, it is able to replace charge at 50% of the rate of depletion. All of a sudden a car with 300 mile range might be able to go 450. That's a major improvement, and while the road surface would be more costly, it doesn't require constant injection of electricity like most of the other inductive charging ideas.

The only thing that jumps out at me is the nagging feeling that I'm missing something--that there is a reactionary force applied when trying to move a coil through a magnetic field. I recall physics courses from long ago that if you tried to push a magnet into the middle of a coil, there would actually be force generated trying to repel the magnet's motion by the induced magnetic field being opposite to that you were introducing... I don't know if this would generate a mechanical resistance on the car opposite the motion of travel, which would defeat the purpose because then the motors would have to work extra hard to keep the car moving. You wouldn't be only encountering air resistance and the rolling resistance of the tires, you'd be encountering EMF opposite the direction of travel too... 

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« Reply #573 on: August 13, 2021, 01:45:21 PM »
Very interesting concept.

Obviously inductive charging relies on pushing a current through a coiled wire to generate a magnetic field, which then induces a current in the coiled wire in the device to be charged. This would use a static magnetic field instead on the road, but ostensibly the movement of the car over that magnetic field could induce current.

I doubt that this would allow cars to run indefinitely. Because you require the motion of the car through the field to induce electric current, it will only work when the car is moving, and thus it relies on the car's own power. I suspect that by definition there will be a less than 100% efficiency, i.e. it will be impossible at say 70 mph for the rate of charge to exceed the rate of depletion (you know, no perpetual motion machines and all).

But if it works, it could be hell of a range extension feature. Let's say that at 70 mph, it is able to replace charge at 50% of the rate of depletion. All of a sudden a car with 300 mile range might be able to go 450. That's a major improvement, and while the road surface would be more costly, it doesn't require constant injection of electricity like most of the other inductive charging ideas.

The only thing that jumps out at me is the nagging feeling that I'm missing something--that there is a reactionary force applied when trying to move a coil through a magnetic field. I recall physics courses from long ago that if you tried to push a magnet into the middle of a coil, there would actually be force generated trying to repel the magnet's motion by the induced magnetic field being opposite to that you were introducing... I don't know if this would generate a mechanical resistance on the car opposite the motion of travel, which would defeat the purpose because then the motors would have to work extra hard to keep the car moving. You wouldn't be only encountering air resistance and the rolling resistance of the tires, you'd be encountering EMF opposite the direction of travel too...

Yes there is something to this.  Which is why I vaguely recall solutions for pavement that involved electromagnets rather than static ones, that would reverse polarity at a given point in time, to keep the induction current flowing in the same direction.  

Or something?

If that's the case then the cost of the pavement would increase quite a bit, needing electricity applied to it, rather than just embedding static magnetic components.


 

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