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Topic: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #392 on: June 06, 2021, 12:10:04 PM »
The price IMHO is too high, the price of the Lightning isn't, in my view, for what you get.

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #393 on: June 06, 2021, 11:38:50 PM »
I think the Mustang will be plenty popular... Just not with Mustang fans lol...
My sister and her husband took delivery on the Mustang SUV EV about 5-weeks ago, replacing their Ford Fusion Hybrid. When they rebuilt their house four-years ago they had 240V installed in the garage anticipating advancements in automobile technology. They get all the charge they need overnight, as most of their driving is local.

The reviews they give are good. It looks more like a Mustang than an SUV, despite its four doors, and it is very, very fast. They will never have to repair or replace a transmission, engine, water pump, or change engine oil. My brother-in-law reports that the batteries are very heavy which makes the Ford Mustang SUV perhaps heavier than a regular SUV. It does 0-60 in 4.2 seconds. Motors on front and back.

I am waiting until the new VW Type 2 type EV comes out. :)

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #394 on: June 07, 2021, 09:23:01 AM »
2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E: Model Y Not?

[th]SPECIFICATIONS[/th]
[th]2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E 4x[/th]
[th]2020 Tesla Model Y Dual Motor Long Range[/th]
0-60 MPH4.8 sec4.1 sec
QUARTER MILE13.4 sec @ 103.5 mph12.4 sec @ 114.8 mph
BRAKING, 60-0 MPH109 ft118 ft
LATERAL ACCELERATION0.85 g (avg)0.86 g (avg)



Very respectable numbers, but I think it's too expensive for what you get.  I think the F-150 EV is a better deal for folks needing a local truck.

One other things about EVs is you likely would never need brake pads or rotors, ever.  They rarely get used.

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« Reply #395 on: June 07, 2021, 09:55:25 AM »
I wasn't aware that a 240V outlet was required for a EV charger
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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #396 on: June 07, 2021, 10:18:16 AM »
You can charge most EVs with 120v, but it would take forever.

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #397 on: June 07, 2021, 10:19:26 AM »
like 4-5 hours overnight?
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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #398 on: June 07, 2021, 11:49:09 AM »
Level 1 electric car chargers are the least expensive option, and are typically provided when you purchase your Chevy Bolt. Level 1 chargers plug into a standard wall outlet. They are also the slowest type of EV charger available. A standard Chevy Bolt Level 1 charging station will be able to offer about 4 miles of range per hour of charging. The Bolt has a 238 mile range, which means that it can take more than a day to charge its battery with a Level 1 charger. As a result, this type of charging station is best for overnight use at home.


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« Reply #399 on: June 07, 2021, 11:51:18 AM »
I've heard that the slow chargers are better for the life of the battery.  Fast chargers are hard on the battery.
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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #400 on: June 07, 2021, 11:55:53 AM »
That could be true for older models, I THINK the newers ones have smarter charging regimes.  If you don't drive much, 110v overnight is adequate.

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« Reply #401 on: June 07, 2021, 12:54:55 PM »
like 4-5 hours overnight?
No, as CD pointed out, charging on 120V gets you around 4-5 miles per hour spent charging. 120V might work for someone who works from home and isn't driving much, but for someone with a meaningful commute plus errands every day, a few days in a row of driving will leave you in trouble.

I've heard that the slow chargers are better for the life of the battery.  Fast chargers are hard on the battery.
There is a lot that is done to optimize charging. Temperature, charge rate, how full you charge the battery, etc all play into battery life.

For example, most Tesla owners don't regularly charge their batteries to 100% unless they're prepping for a road trip. They set the max charge around 80% which helps to preserve battery life, and assume that 80% is going to be more than enough for daily around-town driving. 

For road trips, Tesla can map out your charging regimen such that it plots out the next supercharger location for you to stop along the route. A certain number of miles before you reach the supercharger station, Tesla will actually start heating up the battery packs because the batteries takes charge better and preserve battery life when charging at higher temps than low temps.

"Faster" is not necessarily worse than "slower", as long as everything is within the design parameters of the battery pack. 

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« Reply #402 on: June 07, 2021, 01:04:14 PM »
 a lot is happening with battery technology for sure

seems extreme temps would be rough in places like Arizona or northern Minnesoota
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« Reply #403 on: June 07, 2021, 06:15:18 PM »
Electrify America, a charging network funded with money paid by Volkswagen as punishment for its emissions cheating scandal, says it’s ready for the newer EVs. Having installed fast chargers since 2018, it runs more than 600 stations with 2,600 plugs nationwide. All can pump out 150 kilowatts. That means they can charge a typical EV with 300 miles of range to 80 percent of battery capacity (240 miles) in roughly 45 minutes. Over half of Electrify America’s stations can pump out 350 kilowatts, which charge twice as fast.

A fast-charge fill-up to 80% of battery capacity varies by state but typically costs around $16.


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« Reply #404 on: June 08, 2021, 01:57:33 AM »
I pay $47 to fill up 16 gallons. I can get about 450 miles. Mustang EV range is 300 miles. Let's assume $20 to fill it up. We have to have a new measurement of efficiency, i.e. miles per dollar. 

Mustang SUV EV gets about 15 miles per dollar.

2017 Chevy Equinox gets 9.6 miles per dollar. But, add in the oil changes, transmission oil changes, tune ups, and radiator flushes, and miles per dollar goes south with internal combustion engines. 

Since most families are two car families, I think it is wise now to have one internal combustion engine auto for long trips, and one EV.

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #405 on: June 08, 2021, 08:34:36 AM »
I think in 3-4 years, a lot of families will go to one and one.  We're not quite there yet I think.  The EV premium needs to be less.

Electricity hereabouts is much cheaper than the national average.  Of course, places where it's higher often have higher gas prices as well.

 

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