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Topic: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level

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Cincydawg

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #364 on: May 26, 2021, 10:51:24 AM »

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« Reply #365 on: May 26, 2021, 12:12:35 PM »
40% is a target

as you know, the market will decide
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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #366 on: May 26, 2021, 05:01:07 PM »
Yes, a target, and for "cars" also.  NYD resolution kind of thing.  One way to hit such a target is to have much less sales volume.

And if new car sales hit say 50% by 2035, it still takes years for the cars on the road to hit 50%, and then we'd be needing more power on the grid.

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« Reply #367 on: May 27, 2021, 01:58:49 AM »
I think by 2026 we will be close to 40% EVs. Time will tell. If the performance is what we have read, the masses will be persuaded. I like performance. I also like to drive from NE Iowa to Colorado, Arizona, and Florida, occasionally, so improvement in EV infrastructure, and battery life is needed. But for 90% of my driving, I don't need infrastructure improvement.

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #368 on: May 27, 2021, 06:17:59 AM »
Maybe new car sales are 40%, maybe, but cars on the road will still be 10% or so, at most.

The Japanese car makers are not on board with this, to date, they prefer hybrids.


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« Reply #369 on: May 27, 2021, 12:07:13 PM »
That's also a global number.  I scanned quickly but didn't see anything mentioned for domestic sales.  FoMoCo sells quite a few cars abroad.


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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #370 on: May 27, 2021, 12:19:00 PM »
EVs are not yet a thing in much of Europe oddly enough from what I've seen, aside from Norway.

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« Reply #371 on: May 27, 2021, 12:27:46 PM »
I love hearing about material/technology advances made in a lab, but I always take that with a grain of salt.

Proving you can do something in a lab and proving that you can actually produce it at scale and economically are two WIDELY different things.

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« Reply #372 on: May 27, 2021, 12:28:53 PM »
EVs are not yet a thing in much of Europe oddly enough from what I've seen, aside from Norway.
China appears to be their #2 market by a wide margin.  Not sure how ubiquitous EVs might be in China.  I have a couple guesses though...

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #373 on: May 27, 2021, 12:37:00 PM »
Like Beta says, I've seen myriad reports of some new incredible breakthrough "in the lab" that simply didn't translate to commercial feasability.  I probably have been directly involved in a couple.  Folks get some positive results and tend to hype the positive and downplay the "issues", which turn out later to be significant.

My managers would do this all the time, to the point I eventually found a different job.  The managers would move on, get promoted, whatever, and I'd be left witht he turds.


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« Reply #374 on: May 27, 2021, 01:01:00 PM »
The vessel’s electrical motors are powered by hydrogen and fuel cells and it can cruise at 30 knots while also being energy-efficient. Its unique design, based on hydrofoils and slender hulls, reduces wave generation. And this is important not just for a smooth sail, but mostly because boat-generated waves also have a negative impact on the environment.

The high-speed shuttle was designed to be customizable, meaning that it can be used to transport passengers or freight and the design can be adapted to various sizes and capacities, ranging from 50 to 400 passengers, or from 4 to 36 tons.

The Japanese version of ZESST is only a prototype for now, with plans to become a high-speed passenger shuttle in the near future.


https://www.autoevolution.com/news/fuel-cell-high-speed-shuttle-to-be-introduced-in-japan-for-passenger-transport-161967.html
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« Reply #375 on: May 27, 2021, 01:03:17 PM »
Is this a Covid joke? 
No. Not at all. Wasn't political, and wasn't a joke.

I've spent the last decade being told about all the things that are going to replace NAND flash. Phase change memory. Racetrack memory. Memristors. Spin-torque memory. Probably a few others that I'm missing because they didn't pan out.

They all have wonderful success--in the lab. And given a decade more research and a number of billion dollars, one of them MIGHT someday prove to be a NAND-killer. We have no clue which one, of course...

So I'm excited when I hear about some potentially new and revolutionary battery technology, because I'm a tech geek. But then I file away in my memory. What I don't do is start predicting that revolutionary battery technologies are "just around the corner" based on what someone does in a perfectly controlled lab environment, at a small, scale, without regard to the logistics necessary to produce at scale.

If I was a VC, I might follow these things a little more closely though lol...

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #376 on: May 27, 2021, 01:32:26 PM »
I was approached a while back by a person who advised a VC (unnamed) about a technology, and I looked at it and saw several points of, well, garbage.  I wrote up a one pager with the pros and cons and emailed it, got paid a little bit, never heard back.

The "spin" was well done, very professional, it just overlooked two huge obvious issues, or ignored them to get money.  I thought maybe I'd get more "business" but never did.  It would be a nice sideline.

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« Reply #377 on: May 27, 2021, 01:42:58 PM »
I was approached a while back by a person who advised a VC (unnamed) about a technology, and I looked at it and saw several points of, well, garbage.  I wrote up a one pager with the pros and cons and emailed it, got paid a little bit, never heard back.

The "spin" was well done, very professional, it just overlooked two huge obvious issues, or ignored them to get money.  I thought maybe I'd get more "business" but never did.  It would be a nice sideline.
I wonder if you had advised differently if you would have gotten more business. 

Sometimes [usually] telling someone what they want to hear is a lot more profitable than telling them the truth. 

 

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