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Topic: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #266 on: April 29, 2021, 03:49:20 PM »
I understand being 'loyal' or a fan of pre-Fiat owned Jeep, but that's about it.  It's like religion, you tend to side with what you grew up with.
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« Reply #267 on: April 29, 2021, 04:01:36 PM »
I don't have any brand loyalty... But somehow I've had a Ford Escort, Probe, Ranger, and now a Flex. The only car I've bought for myself that isn't a Ford is the Jeep. 

Somehow Ford just happens to have the right vehicle for me at the time...

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #268 on: April 29, 2021, 04:30:34 PM »
I was a Chevy guy, then a Caddy guy.  Now a GTI guy.   Had a Dodge and an Olds too.  The Ford Flex was a neat conveyance.

The fastest car I've driven was a Caddy or a Ferrari Scuderia.

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« Reply #269 on: April 29, 2021, 04:35:04 PM »
Ah ok.

I've never really understood the brand identity thing.  I've owned Ford, Chevy, MOPAR, Honda, Toyota, Jeep. 

They all had strengths and weaknesses but were basically the same.  Honda was the most reliable, the Toyota was the biggest POS I've ever owned, but I suppose it might have just been a lemon.

Regardless, I've never seen anything from any specific brand that makes me overly loyal to it, over the others.
think of it as the Texas Longhorns are a brand
it's exactly like that
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« Reply #270 on: April 29, 2021, 04:56:55 PM »
think of it as the Texas Longhorns are a brand
it's exactly like that
Oh I understand that people do this.

I don't understand WHY.

Cars aren't teams.  I didn't earn two degrees from The University of Chevy.  

I don't have any brand loyalty... But somehow I've had a Ford Escort, Probe, Ranger, and now a Flex. The only car I've bought for myself that isn't a Ford is the Jeep.

Somehow Ford just happens to have the right vehicle for me at the time...
This, I COMPLETELY understand. I've never been a pickup truck guy, and certainly not specifically a Ford guy despite my longtime love of Mustangs.  But when I was searching for my next vehicle, the F150 Supercrew with the twin turbo ecoboost and max towing package, was the best fit for my needs.   If any auto maker still made a 3/4 ton SUV then that's what I would have ended up with, but they don't.

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« Reply #271 on: April 29, 2021, 09:35:06 PM »
Dang,  never made the connection between the geo storm and the 90s Camaro but that’s freaking hilarious. I agree about the back end being weird. Like the guy who designed it was a really huge fan of the millennium falcon because it looks like it needs a bunch of thrusters back there. 

Had all kinds of trucks and cars. Was a Chevy man awhile, bought a F150 crew cab eco boost and now a Ram with the 3.0 eco diesel. Ram is easily the best truck I ever owned, Ford the worst. I actually currently own 4 trucks, a 15 F-250 with the 6.2 gasser, a ‘04 F350 6.0 power stroke diesel, the ‘16 Ram 1500 diesel, and I inherited dads 18 Chevy 1500 5.3 gasser. Also owned Toyota cars and Honda cars. 

Strangely the Honda wasn’t as reliable as I thought it would be. Never owned any Jeep’s but I’d like to. 

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« Reply #272 on: April 29, 2021, 09:55:07 PM »
I just realized I've gone from owning as my car; Chevy, Ford, Mazda, Subaru, Audi presently. I've liked all of them, but clearly doesn't equate to brand loyalty. 

4 years, 8 years, 7 years, 12 yrs, and 5.
Used, Used, New, Used, New.
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The sub was the only car that my wife drove new for 6 and then I took it over when she went new.
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« Reply #273 on: April 29, 2021, 11:12:19 PM »
I just realized I've gone from owning as my car; Chevy, Ford, Mazda, Subaru, Audi presently. I've liked all of them, but clearly doesn't equate to brand loyalty.


Wait, so you're telling me your Audi doesn't sport a Calvin pissing on BMW sticker? :)

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #274 on: April 30, 2021, 08:56:31 AM »
On reliability, I think all modern cars are reliable, maybe one or two are slightly more so than others, but you could have the worst one and have no problems for a long time.

As compared with something from 1980, anything today is massively more reliable, for me, it isn't an issue in a purchase decision.

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« Reply #275 on: April 30, 2021, 01:57:03 PM »
The company presented a 40 Ah solid-state battery and names like Dieter Zetsche and Mark Fields.

Can a company that offered no details on its technology be a credible contender in the solid-state battery race? If it has names such as Dieter Zetsche and Mark Fields, it certainly hopes so. That’s the case of Factorial Energy, a company that showed its face with a 40 Ah solid-state battery about which it did not speak much.

https://insideevs.com/news/504071/factorial-energy-solid-state-battery/?fbclid=IwAR13JFnn2vKxudOZ-tgPA6tHOPxk57vglI-NB9NSAsjazZpO8-k84stF8zQ

It obviously has a solid-state electrolyte, which would suppress lithium dendrite formation. That is something QuantumScape also said its technology could do. The difference is that Factorial Energy would have already reached the manufacturing stage, like Solid Power.

This seems to be its major breakthrough. The method for manufacturing it would be compatible with “existing lithium-ion battery manufacturing infrastructure,” according to Joe Taylor, the company’s chairman and former Panasonic North America CEO. Other solid-state battery strategies failed to achieve a cost-effective manufacturing process.
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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #276 on: May 01, 2021, 10:19:17 AM »
Electric Car Owners Switching to Gas Because Charging Is a Hassle: Study (businessinsider.com)


  • Roughly 20% of electric vehicle owners in California replaced their cars with gas ones, a new study shows.
  • The main reason drivers made the switch was the inconvenience of charging.
  • The findings suggest new challenges facing the growth of the nascent electric vehicle market.

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #277 on: May 01, 2021, 10:42:02 AM »
I saw that article this morning as well. 

Doesn't surprise me, because it said the same thing I've been saying for years. 


  • If you have a home and have a Level 2 charger built into your garage, an EV is great--you don't ever need to worry about charging because it's easy.
  • If you rent a home and don't have a charger, or live in an apartment and don't have a charger, or live in a condo type community with only carports and/or live in an area with only on-street parking, or anything else that makes having access to a L2 charger at home not feasible, keeping your vehicle charged will be a hassle.

It's one more reason (in addition to price, of course) that EVs are still largely a luxury item. They make the most sense to people who already have homes and can install chargers. They make even MORE sense to people with the means to install solar, especially if those people also invest in home battery backup to charge their batteries during the day and then feed the EV from their batteries at night...

This is much bigger as a purchase decision criteria than range anxiety or charging speed on road trips IMHO. 


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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #278 on: May 01, 2021, 11:14:07 AM »

Somehow Ford just happens to have the right vehicle for me at the time...
Then someone is earning their paycheck at Ford.
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« Reply #279 on: May 01, 2021, 11:18:07 AM »

It's one more reason (in addition to price, of course) that EVs are still largely a luxury item. They make the most sense to people who already have homes and can install chargers.

And I'd argue that this is the demographic (when it comes to home situations) that least wants an EV at the moment.  Bad combination of the best-equipped also being the least excited.
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