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I'm a Chevy guy, so I might not ever own a Mustang, but if I do it will have 2 doors and look like a Stang

All engines today are relatively powerful as compared with 1990 or so.  But there is nothing special about minivan engines, they are all out of passenger cars.

I had a 1985 Dodge with the 4 cylinder engine and a 5-spd transmission.  100 hp I think, it was SLOW.  I then had a 1998 Olds minivan with the 3.8 L that was comparatively fast.  But the 3.8 was a passenger car engine and transmission.  Maybe it had 185 hp.

And yes, current minivans are quite spunky.  It's an efficient design in my view, just not popular relative to SUVs.

My GTI is kind of a shrunken minivan in one sense, 228 hp.  It goes when I need it to go, if I'm in the right gear anyway.

All engines today are relatively powerful as compared with 1990 or so.  But there is nothing special about minivan engines, they are all out of passenger cars.

Oh, of course.

But I think that's the point. The soccer mom vehicle of today has an engine that the Fast & Furious crowd of 20 years ago would kill for. 

2023 Cadillac Lyriq: What We Know So Far (caranddriver.com)



Starts at $60 K, 300 mile est, range.

What time frame were your minivans, CD? I think if you're talking about 20 years ago, minivans back then had pretty paltry pickup.

~2012 I bought a Honda Odyssey, and that had plenty of power.

I think that's more of what OAM is referring to--modern engines in even a minivan are way more powerful than typical passenger car engines of 20-30 years ago.

Heck, I had a "sporty" car in the late 90s--89 Ford Probe GT. 2.0L I-4 Turbo. I think it was 145 hp and 170 ft-lb of torque.  Later in the 90s they moved to a 2.5L NA V6, and that made a whopping 164 hp.

A 2021 Honda Odyssey makes 280 hp out of 3.5L and would probably get better gas mileage to boot.

Yeah I had a 1986 Chrysler Laser Turbo XT with almost identical specs.  It was a 2.2L I4 Turbo, 146 hp and 170 ft-lb torque. At the time it was a reasonably quick "sporty" car.

Now?  Heck, my wife's Jeep is probably faster...

I'm still amazed how fast regular sedans are today, base model Honda Accords for example.

2021 Honda Accord vs. Competitor's 0-60 and Quarter Mile

[th]Car Name[/th] [th]0-60 MPH[/th] [th]Standing 1/4-mile[/th] [th]Braking (70 - 0 MPH)[/th] [th]Braking (60 - 0 MPH)[/th]

[th]2021 Honda Accord[/th] 7.2 sec 15.3 - 15.5 sec 171 ft. 116 ft. [th]2021 Nissan Altima[/th] 5.8 - 8 sec 16 sec - 120 ft. [th]2021 Hyundai Sonata[/th] 7.9 sec 14.1 sec - - [th]2021 Chevrolet Malibu[/th] 7.5 - 8.1 sec 16 sec 167 ft. 113 ft. [th]2021 Subaru Legacy[/th] 8.2 - 8.8 sec 16.5 sec - 127 ft. [th]2021 Hyundai Elantra[/th] 7.3 - 7.8 sec 14.4 - 16.2 sec 168 - 175 ft. 110 - 116 ft. [th]2021 Mazda 3[/th] 8.1 sec 16 sec - 121 ft. [th]2021 Toyota Camry[/th] 5.1 - 5.8 sec - - -

He could have meant taking a 2020 minivan engine and putting it in a 1990 Nissan I suppose.  Doesn't make much sense to me.

A minivan engine back then compared to a shitty car engine back then.