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Topic: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #196 on: April 26, 2021, 02:49:50 PM »
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« Reply #197 on: April 26, 2021, 05:12:07 PM »
Is that an electric classic ponycar?

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« Reply #198 on: April 26, 2021, 08:30:28 PM »
When my Moms green Dodge Dart took a crap in the early 80s, I remember we got a Pontiac Catalina.   That thing had no torque.

I miss that Dart, little triangle vent windows, circle side view mirrors, high beam button on the left floor

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« Reply #199 on: April 26, 2021, 11:38:26 PM »
We never had any cool cars.  
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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #200 on: April 27, 2021, 12:29:33 AM »
Quote from: Hawkinole on April 13, 2021, 02:11:14 AM
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Fifteen-years out internal combustion engines will not likely be available. It will be hydrogen or EV. I hope you live a long life. In 20-years if you like newer cars, you will live in antiquity and find it increasingly difficult to find fuel.  I suspect EV is a temporary bridge vehicle to hydrogen which will be more dominant 30-years out.

I dare one of you to locate my post 30-years hence in 2051. I will probably never know.
Quote from: FearlessF 4/13/2021
not 15 years, maybe 30 or 40

technology is often hyped and doesn't follow through as quickly as predicted

I don't mind driving vehicles that are 5-10 years old.

If someone purchases a gasser in 2040, it could certainly be viable in 2050 or 2060

in 2052 I'll be 90

probably shouldn't be driving

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Actually, hydrogen fueled cars are on the market right now.  All the Hydrogen Vehicles Available for Purchase | Digital Trends
Hydrogen is currently lacking in fueling infrastructure. Starting within 10-years you will see see more hydrogen infrastructure. A hydrogen car takes just 5-minutes to fuel. It is 0-emissions, and does not rely on the power grid like an EV, which grid does produce emissions.

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #201 on: April 27, 2021, 07:35:02 AM »
Hydrogen generally does rely on the power grid, or often it can.  You need electricity to generate hydrogen.  I see a fuel cell as a "fancy battery", it stores energy, it does not generate energy.

While it has notable advantages over batteries, it has disadvantages as well.  In 1905, there was competition between ICE cars, steam powered cars, and electric cars.  I doubt anyone knew then which would dominate (and eliminate all others).  Early engines were pretty bad, complicated, prone to failure, and we had little gasoline at the time.

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« Reply #202 on: April 27, 2021, 11:52:39 AM »
Let's just make cars that run on carbon.  Friggin' simple.  :57:
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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #203 on: April 27, 2021, 12:22:32 PM »
That is sorta like the fable that some car ran on water.

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« Reply #204 on: April 27, 2021, 12:25:38 PM »
There have been cars that have run on water-- heated up to become steam...

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #205 on: April 27, 2021, 03:24:31 PM »
WSJ article:

Before it rolls off the assembly line, an electric Tesla Model 3 has generated 65% more emissions than a gas-powered Toyota RAV4 due to the environmental costs of building it. What happens next to flip the balance?

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« Reply #206 on: April 27, 2021, 03:36:15 PM »
WSJ article:

Before it rolls off the assembly line, an electric Tesla Model 3 has generated 65% more emissions than a gas-powered Toyota RAV4 due to the environmental costs of building it. What happens next to flip the balance?
plus the emissions of the lifetime of the car.........
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« Reply #207 on: April 27, 2021, 03:42:38 PM »
plus the emissions of the lifetime of the car.........
And the emissions of all the electricity generated to power the EV, assuming it isn't 100% solar or other clean energy...

WSJ article:

Before it rolls off the assembly line, an electric Tesla Model 3 has generated 65% more emissions than a gas-powered Toyota RAV4 due to the environmental costs of building it. What happens next to flip the balance?
Was that the WSJ op-ed page or somewhere else in the paper?

Based on just that line, I wonder if it was an ideologically-motivated author. 

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Re: Electric Vehicles - Your Interest level
« Reply #208 on: April 27, 2021, 04:31:35 PM »
It may have been, I just got the synopsis line.  I used to go up to the brokerage to read the WSJ most days but they have been closed.

I saw figures somewhere that even if the electricity if from coal, an EV generates less CO2 per mile.  Transmission is efficient.  The advantage is not huge in that case.

We still get 20% from nuclear here, France is about 75%.  Vogtle3 is supposed to go on line later this year.

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« Reply #209 on: April 27, 2021, 05:06:30 PM »
  Vogtle3 is supposed to go on line later this year.
That plant has been quite the clusterpuck.
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