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« Reply #1484 on: March 28, 2024, 04:17:53 PM »
early adopters of apartment/condo chargers are gonna bill high fees to offset the initial coast and installation of the charging units and the power they draw.

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« Reply #1485 on: March 28, 2024, 04:20:12 PM »
Not in our case, the two chargers we have here were installed "for free".  I presume they run off building power though.  The nearby Kroger now has four charger in the lot.

The issue is they cost 3x or more relative to retail electric power.

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« Reply #1486 on: March 28, 2024, 04:23:04 PM »
The issue is they cost 3x or more relative to retail electric power.
so, the evil landlord will recoup the cost eventually if he's lucky
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« Reply #1487 on: March 28, 2024, 04:27:24 PM »
Some company usually installs these chargers.  It costs them money to build, install, and operate.  They obviously then charge fees to make a profit and sell the power at ~3x retail.  I forget which outfit installed ours, I looked at the meter once.


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« Reply #1488 on: March 28, 2024, 04:31:04 PM »
Not in our case, the two chargers we have here were installed "for free".  I presume they run off building power though.  The nearby Kroger now has four charger in the lot.

The issue is they cost 3x or more relative to retail electric power.
I'm not sure how true that actually is. From what I understand DC fast chargers typically are the most expensive to use, but the lower power chargers that are more economical to install may not have such exorbitant rates. If all you need is 2 hours at an L2 charger while you're perusing things at the mall or at the theater watching a movie, it might not be 3x. 

I think some places (shopping centers) even may put them in as "free to use"
may put them in as "free to use". Not owning one, I don't know how plentiful free EV chargers are or how easy it is to find them. And as EV ownership increases, I don't know how economically feasible it will be to actually continue seeing "free" anywhere.  

But one might think, as well, that as EVs proliferate, charging locations may need to compete with each other on charging rates. From one google search you can search free chargers via the "PlugShare" app, but I couldn't look at their web site without registering so I didn't. I'm sure that these charging companies will allow you to filter based on charge rate to find the cheapest chargers, and over time that might drive the cost of EV charging down to bulk electricity rate + cost to install/amortize/maintain the charger + a reasonable profit. I highly doubt that will be 3x home charging. 

Granted, this is just me speculating on the economics. But it's not like we don't see gas stations competing based on price. You don't see gas for 4.69/gal and on the opposite corner it's 7.49/gal. They have to compete. Usually they're all within a dime or two of each other per gallon within a small geographical area.

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1489 on: March 28, 2024, 04:39:26 PM »
I used 45 cents per kWhr, versus 15 cents at home.  From what I can tell on line, this varies a lot of course but is probably near the median cost.

How Much Does It Cost to Charge an EV on a Road Trip? (investopedia.com)

I checked a number of sites on these costs and they all have wide ranges, 30-60 cents is a common one, so I used 45 cents.  An L2 charger is less expensive, and slower.

I don't know how much a single charge costs, I'm sure that varies widely, but when considering initial cost, any maintenance, going costs, profit,  I think 3x is not beyond the pale.




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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1490 on: March 28, 2024, 04:49:17 PM »

  • Electrify America has a network of 800-plus stations with around 3,500 fast chargers and is rapidly expanding. Its current charges in most states are 43 cents per kilowatt-hour for general users and 31 cents per kilowatt-hour for subscribers, who also pay a $4 monthly fee; however, the company announced pricing will increase in March to 48 cents and 36 cents, respectively. In some states, pricing is by the minute, which is also going up. Electrify America also charges 40 cents per minute if you don’t move the EV within 10 minutes after charging ends. The company lists rates by state here.


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« Reply #1491 on: March 28, 2024, 05:24:52 PM »
800-plus stations with around 3,500 fast chargers

so about 4 chargers per site

I was at a truck stop on I-80 in Iowa

there were about 6 chargers - one car charging with his tunes playing loud enough I could hear them

might have been the only car there in a day or two

usually no one waiting in line
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« Reply #1492 on: March 28, 2024, 05:33:53 PM »
I used 45 cents per kWhr, versus 15 cents at home.  From what I can tell on line, this varies a lot of course but is probably near the median cost.

How Much Does It Cost to Charge an EV on a Road Trip? (investopedia.com)

I checked a number of sites on these costs and they all have wide ranges, 30-60 cents is a common one, so I used 45 cents.  An L2 charger is less expensive, and slower.

I don't know how much a single charge costs, I'm sure that varies widely, but when considering initial cost, any maintenance, going costs, profit,  I think 3x is not beyond the pale.
Yeah, and I'm not saying 3x doesn't exist. On a road trip, you NEED a fast charger and it's worth paying for it. If you can get by with L2, it can bring the cost down. 

I.e. I googled "average L2 charger rate in southern california" and this was the top result:

https://qmerit.com/blog/california-electrification-statistics/

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California EV statistics reveal that operators charge an average of $0.20-$0.30 per kWh for public Level 2 EV charging stations and $0.40-$0.60 per kWh for DC Fast Charging


Which is in line with what you quoted for fast charging. But not the only option. It's the difference perhaps between 3x vs 1.5x. 

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1493 on: March 28, 2024, 07:37:42 PM »
Fair point.  

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1494 on: March 29, 2024, 04:20:46 AM »
Tesla's Cybertruck has a serious problem that only a complete redesign (fastcompany.com)
Tesla's Cybertruck has a serious problem that only a complete redesign (fastcompany.com)

The design, to me, looks gimmicky, but which I mean I don't understand any functionality associated with it.  It's a truck, to me it should be first functional, not in any way stylish if that detracts from the former.  Yes, I think it's ugly, but that's an aside.

I understand the other light trucks also meant to look decent, but at the expense of major function.  Someone might design a truck with little or no style and it probably wouldn't sell well overall, maybe as a pure work truck.  But this one seems to combine polarizing style, at best, with reduced functionality.


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« Reply #1495 on: March 29, 2024, 04:30:55 AM »
2024 Tesla Cybertruck vs. Rivian R1T vs. Ford F-150 Lightning: The Only Comparison Test You'll Need (motortrend.com)
2024 Tesla Cybertruck vs. Rivian R1T vs. Ford F-150 Lightning: The Only Comparison Test You'll Need (motortrend.com)

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1496 on: March 29, 2024, 05:04:13 AM »
Ample is bringing the first-ever EV battery swap stations to Japan (electrek.co)

EV battery swap specialist Ample has announced it is bringing the first-ever modular swap stations to Japan with the help of partner ENEOS. The first Japanese swap stations will be erected in Kyoto and used by several local fleets.

Ample is a California-based startup specializing in modular battery stations that are easy to install and move, all while occupying a minimal footprint. The company’s goal is to help enable 1 billion electric vehicles on roads worldwide someday.


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« Reply #1497 on: March 29, 2024, 08:02:08 AM »
smart

I guess
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